1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,370 Carlini8: There wasn't any opportunity like there is now 2 00:00:02,370 --> 00:00:05,940 where you can take Ethereum, do stuff with it and have more 3 00:00:05,940 --> 00:00:09,600 Ethereum. That's generally what people in the NFT space are 4 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:13,170 doing. They're trying to make ETH. Most tokens aren't launched 5 00:00:13,170 --> 00:00:16,590 legally. And I think that will be a big problem for projects as 6 00:00:16,590 --> 00:00:19,530 well. Because, like I've said earlier, the team is the 7 00:00:19,530 --> 00:00:23,460 important bit, you know, pretty much the outside image of your 8 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:26,670 NFT project right now is all about Twitter. And this is just 9 00:00:26,670 --> 00:00:31,110 a very powerful way to get your community interacting more on 10 00:00:31,110 --> 00:00:35,310 Twitter. Every community with this would interact more. 11 00:00:38,460 --> 00:00:41,268 Valerio: What's up everyone? Welcome to a another show 12 00:00:41,330 --> 00:00:44,700 another episode on the Talkenized Show. I'm your host, 13 00:00:44,762 --> 00:00:47,820 Valerio. I'm here with Konrad. What's up? Konrad? 14 00:00:47,810 --> 00:00:48,530 Konrad: Hi, hello. 15 00:00:49,290 --> 00:00:52,320 Valerio: And I'm very happy for today's episode, because today's 16 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:58,200 guest is a OG. He's been into the NFT space since four years 17 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:02,700 now since 2017. And he's the founder of the Purrnelope's 18 00:01:02,700 --> 00:01:05,880 Country Club. What's up, James? What's up Carlini? Thank you so 19 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:07,980 much for taking the time and joining us today. 20 00:01:08,460 --> 00:01:09,630 Carlini8: All right. Thanks for having me on. 21 00:01:11,070 --> 00:01:14,460 Konrad: I'm super, super happy to have you, man and to talk 22 00:01:14,460 --> 00:01:18,450 about your background and about your current project and about 23 00:01:18,450 --> 00:01:25,110 your general view on web three. So to get started, Carlini, can 24 00:01:25,110 --> 00:01:28,500 you give us a short introduction for anyone who doesn't know you 25 00:01:28,530 --> 00:01:33,570 yet? Well? Who are you and what you do right now? 26 00:01:34,290 --> 00:01:41,880 Carlini8: Yeah, sure. So Carlini 8. I've been in NFTs since 2017. 27 00:01:42,660 --> 00:01:50,850 crypto. I'm not actually sure, because I mined very briefly 28 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:54,960 some bitcoin. And all I know is I did it in my old house, which 29 00:01:54,960 --> 00:02:00,360 I lived in 2013 2015. And that's a few that had drovers a few 30 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:05,280 weeks ago. And I kind of got trolled out of mining Bitcoin, 31 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:08,490 because I was told, Oh, you're, you're a millionaire. Yeah. And 32 00:02:08,490 --> 00:02:12,930 then I checked, like, overnight, I'd mined 4 P worth of bitcoin 33 00:02:12,930 --> 00:02:18,120 at the time or something like that. Four pence, probably about 34 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:19,500 six cents. 35 00:02:20,590 --> 00:02:22,540 Konrad: You mined six cents worth of bitcoin, 36 00:02:22,900 --> 00:02:28,180 Carlini8: overnight, like every night, I guess So I, I used my 37 00:02:28,180 --> 00:02:32,620 gaming PC to mine. And it was when I wasn't using it, you 38 00:02:32,620 --> 00:02:37,120 know, it's just like idly mining overnight. And it was not very 39 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:40,270 powerful. So it didn't do much, but it was probably at the time 40 00:02:40,270 --> 00:02:47,470 costing me costing me money and electricity. But that that hard 41 00:02:47,470 --> 00:02:50,650 drive was wiped many times and it wouldn't have been much. And 42 00:02:50,650 --> 00:02:58,780 then 2015 is where my smaller purchases started happening in 43 00:02:58,780 --> 00:03:04,630 crypto. And I was mainly when I when I started getting bigger 44 00:03:04,630 --> 00:03:10,600 buyers, I was mainly interested in ETH just because I like that 45 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:14,980 you can do stuff like you know, bitcoins great for starting all 46 00:03:14,980 --> 00:03:19,240 of this and for what it represents and what it can do. 47 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:24,040 monetarily, but that that didn't really interest me and never 48 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:28,840 brought me in it was more the the utility I guess of Ethereum. 49 00:03:29,470 --> 00:03:34,210 They're just hooked me in and full, full blown degens since 50 00:03:34,210 --> 00:03:35,800 2017, pretty much 51 00:03:39,330 --> 00:03:43,290 Konrad: all right. So so what what are you doing at the 52 00:03:43,290 --> 00:03:43,800 moment? 53 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:50,290 Carlini8: So currently I run Purrnelope's Country Club. It's 54 00:03:50,290 --> 00:03:58,990 a 10k PFP NFT projects. But we're just trying to I guess do 55 00:03:58,990 --> 00:04:03,880 it right. So I've been in NFTs. Pretty much since you know, they 56 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:07,450 weren't mainstream. There are a couple couple projects before I 57 00:04:07,450 --> 00:04:13,030 came in, but certainly not many people. So I've seen how NFTs 58 00:04:13,030 --> 00:04:19,240 have changed and where we expect them to go. And back in 2017. We 59 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:22,210 had where we expected them to go. And we've sort of seen how 60 00:04:22,210 --> 00:04:27,460 we've progressed towards that. And I just want to sort of 61 00:04:27,460 --> 00:04:31,480 utilize the technology with a project as best as possible, 62 00:04:31,510 --> 00:04:38,350 which I guess are our main current utility we have that 63 00:04:38,350 --> 00:04:42,310 shows that our Fiza ens subdomains where each cat is 64 00:04:42,310 --> 00:04:48,760 able to claim a dot PCC dot ETH domain for free, which is just 65 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:55,480 like an ens domain instead of dot ETH. You get .pcc.eth But 66 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:59,260 it's also free because you get it from us who have paid for it 67 00:05:00,220 --> 00:05:07,300 PCC dot ETH. And that becomes your wallet. And it can be it 68 00:05:07,300 --> 00:05:12,100 can turn your username into a profile picture. And just even 69 00:05:12,100 --> 00:05:15,280 little things like I can't search for all of the users on 70 00:05:15,280 --> 00:05:18,700 Twitter who have a Purrnelope's as Country Club profile picture. 71 00:05:19,150 --> 00:05:24,250 But I can search .pcc.eth go click on people, and it shows me 72 00:05:24,250 --> 00:05:29,470 everyone that has that in their name. So it's, we we've actually 73 00:05:29,470 --> 00:05:32,350 got something coming that sort of links that to discord as 74 00:05:32,350 --> 00:05:38,230 well. And that will just be showing even more. So how this, 75 00:05:38,470 --> 00:05:42,190 this can be pushed, because you've effectively got your 76 00:05:42,190 --> 00:05:47,830 digital identity linked over Ethereum, Twitter and discord. 77 00:05:47,860 --> 00:05:52,810 And we can do lots of things. Once that's all linked up. Yep. 78 00:05:53,010 --> 00:05:57,000 Konrad: And can you link your NFT to any social media profile 79 00:05:57,000 --> 00:06:00,780 like Facebook, Instagram, and so on, or limited by something? 80 00:06:01,620 --> 00:06:05,640 Carlini8: When I say linked, it's bad centralized, I guess. 81 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:08,790 So that's not on Ethereum. And that's with a bot, were able to 82 00:06:08,790 --> 00:06:12,750 search using the Twitter API, they just got API, and then 83 00:06:12,750 --> 00:06:20,040 Ethereum to check the subdomain. So for what we're planning to 84 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:22,800 do, you could you could probably do the same for Instagram and 85 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:26,400 Facebook, but it would just be integrating with their APIs. 86 00:06:28,230 --> 00:06:29,580 Konrad: All right. Makes sense. 87 00:06:31,170 --> 00:06:35,310 All right. When did you guys start with with PCC with the 88 00:06:35,310 --> 00:06:35,910 project? 89 00:06:37,020 --> 00:06:40,680 Carlini8: We started building it towards the end of March last 90 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:45,720 year. So we started over a year ago now, but we mint. I think we 91 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:47,670 started minted in June. 92 00:06:49,230 --> 00:06:51,990 Konrad: All right, how did the launch go? How to demand go. 93 00:06:52,830 --> 00:06:57,000 Carlini8: It was slow, because at the time, we were completely 94 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:02,190 anonymous. Because I was working for NFT boxes before it started 95 00:07:02,490 --> 00:07:09,960 NFT boxes were my co founder Pranksy December 2020. And I 96 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:15,390 ended up in March selling my half of NFT boxes to him. But 97 00:07:15,390 --> 00:07:19,350 that was there was lots of sort of legal loopholes, we had to 98 00:07:19,350 --> 00:07:24,240 jump through and all these sort of things. So ended up taking 99 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:27,300 maybe four months to sort that out. And I didn't think it was 100 00:07:27,300 --> 00:07:30,810 the right two people at the time for what I was working on NFT 101 00:07:30,810 --> 00:07:35,730 boxes, we couldn't tell them why I wasn't or that I wasn't. So it 102 00:07:35,730 --> 00:07:39,420 didn't seem right that we were like, Hey, I'm launching this as 103 00:07:39,420 --> 00:07:44,280 well. So we're anonymous until the sale was confirmed. And as 104 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:50,910 soon as the NFT boxes sale was confirmed. We unanoned as a team 105 00:07:50,940 --> 00:07:55,560 said, Hey, this is us. We sold out in a couple of hours. 106 00:07:56,980 --> 00:07:59,050 Konrad: And how did you initially come up with an idea 107 00:07:59,050 --> 00:08:06,280 of PCC? Was it your own idea? Or did you have a team because it. 108 00:08:09,810 --> 00:08:16,590 Carlini8: So we are a team of three of us at the start. One 109 00:08:16,590 --> 00:08:21,030 who had come from Box NFT boxes with me, the community manager 110 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:26,190 who was part time but wanted sort of a full time stable job 111 00:08:26,190 --> 00:08:32,640 because this was I guess, not bang in the middle of lockdowns 112 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:37,650 and COVID. But they were sort of coming back it was January to 113 00:08:37,650 --> 00:08:45,840 March 2021, you know, a bit unstable and just wanted to be 114 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:50,820 locked down in in a solid job. So that wasn't something I could 115 00:08:50,820 --> 00:08:54,840 offer NFT boxes, someone else who I was going to bring over to 116 00:08:54,840 --> 00:09:00,150 NFT boxes is to sort of sort that side of things out as well, 117 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:05,970 who I got to quit a job brought him with me. So that's 3. 118 00:09:05,990 --> 00:09:13,460 And we originally had a couple of ideas on what we wanted to do 119 00:09:13,460 --> 00:09:18,680 was take my side of NFT boxes, I worked with the community and 120 00:09:18,680 --> 00:09:23,540 sort of made made the things work, I guess, like the website 121 00:09:23,540 --> 00:09:27,920 and the contracts, I'd find the right people for that. And we 122 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:30,290 wanted to make sure it's community focused. And our 123 00:09:30,290 --> 00:09:35,210 original idea was sort of to try and help creators. Like you guys 124 00:09:35,210 --> 00:09:40,460 have a podcast, we would come in with some sort of NFT rewards 125 00:09:40,490 --> 00:09:45,830 that would kind of build in Patreon or Twitch subscriptions. 126 00:09:45,860 --> 00:09:48,500 You know how to Twitch their badges after six months in a 127 00:09:48,500 --> 00:09:52,670 year and two and three years. Why aren't they NFTs? So we're 128 00:09:52,670 --> 00:09:57,590 gonna go down that line. And I told these two guys, like, I'll 129 00:09:57,590 --> 00:10:02,270 fund it for a year and we'll see where we are Ah, and we were 130 00:10:02,270 --> 00:10:04,580 sort of going down that route. And then someone said, How are 131 00:10:04,580 --> 00:10:09,470 we going to make money? So I don't know. Hopefully find it. 132 00:10:10,190 --> 00:10:14,240 If he said, at the end of the year, what happens? Do I have to 133 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:18,320 find a job, I don't believe properly unless you know, we've 134 00:10:18,710 --> 00:10:23,090 got VC funding or get bought out or something like that. And he's 135 00:10:23,090 --> 00:10:26,480 like, I want to make money. I want, I want this to be a job. 136 00:10:27,110 --> 00:10:30,710 And by I want to make money, that's more I want that to be a 137 00:10:30,710 --> 00:10:37,040 salary for me. So we just looked, you know, the matter at 138 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:41,150 the time was 10k, PFP. And then we sort of amended our plans 139 00:10:41,150 --> 00:10:46,670 like, right, how can we take the 10k PFP and push that towards 140 00:10:46,700 --> 00:10:54,230 community and sort of, in effect doing it right. And you can see 141 00:10:54,230 --> 00:10:58,850 sort of on chain, how we've spent the Ethereum from the 142 00:10:58,850 --> 00:11:03,680 original sale, most of which went into a kitty vault now 143 00:11:03,680 --> 00:11:08,540 worth over 1000 Ethereum, which is 200 ETH of more than our 144 00:11:08,540 --> 00:11:14,420 wholesale. So we've sort of created this community pot 145 00:11:14,420 --> 00:11:17,930 that's bigger than all of the money we've taken in, which sort 146 00:11:17,930 --> 00:11:23,030 of just shows it's not a meant and make us rich, it's a meant 147 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:24,590 and build for the community. 148 00:11:28,020 --> 00:11:31,170 Konrad: All right. They understand. Previously, you 149 00:11:31,170 --> 00:11:35,040 mentioned your launch, right. Your initial launch was in May 150 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:35,910 last year, right. 151 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:44,220 Carlini8: I'm kind of guessing. I was a couple of seconds. And 152 00:11:44,220 --> 00:11:48,480 go to a call. It was 269 days ago. 153 00:11:49,170 --> 00:11:51,900 Konrad: Wow. Almost a year. Right? 154 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:57,540 Carlini8: Almost 269 days ago, please help me get it was 17 for 155 00:11:57,540 --> 00:11:58,080 July 156 00:11:59,460 --> 00:12:00,570 Valerio: 25. July. Alright. 157 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:02,700 Oh, quickly. Did you sell out? 158 00:12:04,970 --> 00:12:10,640 Carlini8: It took about a month, I'd say. So it was just very 159 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:15,620 slowly minting until I was able to because I was originally 160 00:12:15,620 --> 00:12:19,280 Topcat Topcat was running the project. And then as soon as 161 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:22,880 Carlini eight was running the project, it minted it out in a 162 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:29,870 few hours. Think it was about a month between those times. 163 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:32,660 Konrad: All right. What do you mean by running the project? 164 00:12:32,690 --> 00:12:35,540 What did you do differently than than top cat? 165 00:12:35,990 --> 00:12:38,810 Carlini8: I was just called top cat. I couldn't be me. I 166 00:12:38,810 --> 00:12:39,260 couldn't 167 00:12:40,380 --> 00:12:42,600 Valerio: think of all the anonymity and the public name, I 168 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:43,410 guess. All right. 169 00:12:43,560 --> 00:12:46,560 Carlini8: So people knew they weren't going to get well. They 170 00:12:46,560 --> 00:12:49,470 don't know that I'm going to get wrote quite a high chance that 171 00:12:49,470 --> 00:12:56,160 you know, my my main wallet has 16,000 transactions. It's been 172 00:12:56,160 --> 00:13:00,750 there 1400 days or something like that. And not once in that 173 00:13:00,750 --> 00:13:04,650 time have I scammed anyone. So at that point, you know, 174 00:13:04,650 --> 00:13:07,920 interesting. quite confident. 175 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:11,430 Konrad: How many pieces Did you sell before you announced that 176 00:13:11,490 --> 00:13:12,150 you are you? 177 00:13:13,530 --> 00:13:15,330 Carlini8: Maybe 2000? 178 00:13:15,990 --> 00:13:19,230 Konrad: Okay, because my question is that at that time, 179 00:13:19,230 --> 00:13:23,850 there were a lot of profile pic projects where a lot of them had 180 00:13:23,850 --> 00:13:27,600 anonymous team and how did you manage the community to like 181 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:30,930 stay organized because I've been on many discourage during the 182 00:13:30,930 --> 00:13:34,110 time and if a project didn't sell out in like a day or two 183 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:37,410 people were just panicking all over the place and claim it as a 184 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:38,280 total scam. 185 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:43,220 Carlini8: I think I think how that plays out is generally how 186 00:13:43,220 --> 00:13:47,900 do you get a get the community in the first place? So like, 187 00:13:48,410 --> 00:13:51,200 like I said, we were trying to do it right. So we weren't 188 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:55,520 paying people to promote us weren't paying for tweets. We 189 00:13:55,520 --> 00:14:00,320 weren't, you know, sneakily, underhand, well, maybe not even 190 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:05,210 underhand, but given these alpha groups, you know, couple of ETH 191 00:14:05,210 --> 00:14:08,240 like, Hey, you start minting you start minting we'll give you 192 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:11,360 this ETH that ETH you'll get everything half price or 193 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:15,560 whatever. They start minting sets off some alerts other 194 00:14:15,560 --> 00:14:20,390 people start minting some projects, even their own, their 195 00:14:20,390 --> 00:14:26,090 own NFT is you know, they just get a few 100 ETH mint a few 196 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:31,040 1000 yourself sets off the alerts yourself. Away you go. 197 00:14:31,790 --> 00:14:34,580 You're just giving yourself money effectively at that point 198 00:14:34,580 --> 00:14:40,430 with a little bit of gas fees. Oh, well. So we were just 199 00:14:40,430 --> 00:14:44,930 totally you know, I guess upfront, not paying for hype. 200 00:14:45,350 --> 00:14:50,120 And I've seen quite a lot of people trying to do it you know, 201 00:14:50,450 --> 00:14:54,140 that way and struggle if you don't follow the matter of the 202 00:14:54,140 --> 00:14:57,980 time. You will you will find it hard in this space because there 203 00:14:57,980 --> 00:15:02,300 are some excellent marketers They've come into this space. 204 00:15:02,930 --> 00:15:08,630 And the problem is that's really where their talents lie. Maybe 205 00:15:08,630 --> 00:15:11,300 one or two people on the team are just really good at creating 206 00:15:11,300 --> 00:15:14,480 the hype and marketing. But then there's no one to execute once 207 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:17,810 is minted. And we're just seeing so many so many projects, I 208 00:15:17,810 --> 00:15:23,600 think a couple of months ago, I looked back at a certain day, 209 00:15:23,690 --> 00:15:28,340 last year, I think it was the day it was it was a year before. 210 00:15:28,940 --> 00:15:32,660 And there were these calendar projects that used to just put 211 00:15:32,660 --> 00:15:36,080 out here, today's mints, and I just looked at every project, 212 00:15:36,830 --> 00:15:45,620 and two was still active. Ish. One, I kind of ignored art 213 00:15:45,620 --> 00:15:48,260 blocks because there was an art block summit that day. And in 214 00:15:48,260 --> 00:15:52,310 reality, that's just art and art blocks is a platform. But 215 00:15:52,340 --> 00:15:56,420 everything else there was was maybe nine or 10 projects that 216 00:15:56,420 --> 00:16:02,090 hadn't tweeted this year, there was no discord activity, maybe 217 00:16:02,090 --> 00:16:06,500 half of them their websites were deleted. But the one the one 218 00:16:06,500 --> 00:16:09,470 year, the one year renewal of their website hadn't been 219 00:16:09,470 --> 00:16:10,250 continued. 220 00:16:12,570 --> 00:16:18,960 Konrad: Alright. So what makes it project being like long term 221 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:22,020 because I would say that if you're running it for a year 222 00:16:22,020 --> 00:16:25,260 now, we can call the success because as you said, like you've 223 00:16:25,260 --> 00:16:28,860 seen many projects starting the same day and just dying out. So 224 00:16:28,860 --> 00:16:32,010 how do you survive for this market, which is, I wouldn't say 225 00:16:32,010 --> 00:16:34,470 saturated, but there are a lot of new projects coming in every 226 00:16:34,470 --> 00:16:37,020 day. And there's huge noise in the space. 227 00:16:38,650 --> 00:16:41,890 Carlini8: It's it is the team, at the end of the day, because 228 00:16:41,890 --> 00:16:46,870 if the team keep building, that project is still alive, the may 229 00:16:46,870 --> 00:16:51,490 not be many holders, the floor may be basically zero. But when 230 00:16:51,490 --> 00:16:55,720 they can tweet, something, like we've been here, two years 231 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:59,650 building, we've done this, that and the other, the the only 232 00:17:00,700 --> 00:17:04,360 problems can come down to their funding, if if they just you 233 00:17:04,360 --> 00:17:08,770 know, end up having to, if they just gotta go get a job, because 234 00:17:09,010 --> 00:17:12,610 this, this project isn't paying them or whatever. But as long as 235 00:17:12,610 --> 00:17:16,360 the team are going to stay around the there's always a 236 00:17:16,360 --> 00:17:21,040 chance, right? So the projects where the teams leave, they're 237 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:25,240 done. They like they just can't be revived. There's no reason I 238 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:29,710 know, there are NFTs and anyone can spin up a site and build a 239 00:17:29,710 --> 00:17:33,160 game around that NFT that they've said that says the 240 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:36,820 crypto kitties days, it was like build, they even back then they 241 00:17:36,820 --> 00:17:41,470 tried to pay people to build on top of crypto kitties, very 242 00:17:41,470 --> 00:17:44,290 small amounts compared to now because you know, the money 243 00:17:44,290 --> 00:17:50,830 involved in crypto was so much lower than but they, it just, it 244 00:17:50,830 --> 00:17:53,860 just never works. Because why would anyone put in a lot of 245 00:17:53,860 --> 00:17:57,790 effort for someone else's product, when if they're going 246 00:17:57,790 --> 00:18:01,330 to build something, they could just sell their own their own 247 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:05,980 avatars, or land or whatever it is that works within the game 248 00:18:06,010 --> 00:18:14,410 card games. And it's just very tricky to make that work. So 249 00:18:14,710 --> 00:18:19,060 really, the lifeblood of every NFT project is running like a 250 00:18:19,060 --> 00:18:23,710 business. Because the will of course, be art, you know, 251 00:18:23,740 --> 00:18:28,510 artists aren't expected to do, you know, make a game or 252 00:18:28,510 --> 00:18:31,450 anything like that. They just keep creating art. And it's very 253 00:18:31,450 --> 00:18:34,900 much its own category. But I'm talking about the projects that 254 00:18:34,900 --> 00:18:38,680 should be run as a company. If the team keep going, they can 255 00:18:38,710 --> 00:18:42,490 always build a community around it, it's it's harder. It's 256 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:48,250 always easiest at mint because you get in, you build up that 257 00:18:48,250 --> 00:18:53,590 height because Mint is coming. But the the rugs will be when 258 00:18:53,950 --> 00:18:56,920 when a team member leaves when the team leaves, it's it's just 259 00:18:56,920 --> 00:19:00,520 done at this at this period of time, maybe, you know, maybe in 260 00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:05,170 five years time, maybe even less, we'll see we'll see time 261 00:19:05,170 --> 00:19:09,760 where a community really has built up around a project. And 262 00:19:09,790 --> 00:19:13,810 they can survive without a team. All right, but we're not there 263 00:19:13,810 --> 00:19:14,020 yet. 264 00:19:14,130 --> 00:19:17,460 Konrad: And even if the team like comes back, like a couple 265 00:19:17,460 --> 00:19:20,490 of weeks after because that's what what we're seeing with some 266 00:19:20,490 --> 00:19:25,950 of the projects that are not started like this year 2022 that 267 00:19:25,950 --> 00:19:30,480 the team is gone. And then like a month later, like the founders 268 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:34,980 is saying on Twitter. Hello guys. I'm back. Let's do it 269 00:19:34,980 --> 00:19:37,080 again. But I guess it's not the same anymore. Right. 270 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:39,930 Carlini8: And I'm sure that definitely has nothing to do 271 00:19:39,930 --> 00:19:43,860 with the guys who have gone to prison for a few years for 272 00:19:43,860 --> 00:19:47,100 effectively just straight rocking. So oh, if we if we 273 00:19:47,100 --> 00:19:51,360 quickly go back now maybe they won't think we wrote them and we 274 00:19:51,360 --> 00:19:52,440 were just incompetent. 275 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:55,890 Konrad: It's true that he announced his comeback like a 276 00:19:55,890 --> 00:20:01,800 couple of days afterwards. Yeah, it was fun. Um But what exactly 277 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:05,730 do you mean by, you know, keeping a project life? What do 278 00:20:05,730 --> 00:20:09,510 you mean by by building? How do you do keep the project alive? 279 00:20:09,510 --> 00:20:14,790 That's the main question do you focus on, on providing value in 280 00:20:14,790 --> 00:20:19,680 some way providing utility on a on a long term basis constantly? 281 00:20:20,010 --> 00:20:22,350 Or how do you keep a project alive? 282 00:20:22,590 --> 00:20:24,570 And all that sort of thing, because usually, when you start 283 00:20:24,570 --> 00:20:27,750 a project you've had you have the vision, and the direction 284 00:20:27,750 --> 00:20:31,110 you want to go into. And you can call the donor Combinator, like 285 00:20:31,110 --> 00:20:34,290 milestones. So if you accomplish them, how do you come up with 286 00:20:34,290 --> 00:20:36,540 new ideas that you want to execute? 287 00:20:38,310 --> 00:20:43,680 Carlini8: Well in for new goals in this space, normally, it's 288 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:49,200 just, you know, spend 1819 hours a day on Twitter. And then as 289 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:53,430 soon as some cool new stuff happens, you see it and you're 290 00:20:53,430 --> 00:20:57,810 like, right, how can I? Can we use that? Can we improve that. 291 00:20:59,250 --> 00:21:06,510 So even even just recently, OWL from cyberkongz, the Dev has 292 00:21:06,510 --> 00:21:11,250 released a guardian contract, which is effectively unchained 293 00:21:11,250 --> 00:21:15,150 two factor authentification, you can set it up so that you can 294 00:21:15,150 --> 00:21:20,370 have your NFT in a hot wallet. But you can only move it or do 295 00:21:20,370 --> 00:21:25,530 certain things with it. If you then sign a transaction from a 296 00:21:25,530 --> 00:21:28,860 different hardware wallet, which means you can use it in a game. 297 00:21:29,610 --> 00:21:32,400 But you can't be scammed out of that NFT, unless you go to your 298 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:35,130 hardware wallet that you've locked away. And you you know, 299 00:21:35,130 --> 00:21:37,440 you put somewhere far enough away that while you're walking 300 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:41,520 to it, you think should I really be doing this is this person 301 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:46,200 really not stealing my ape. So you just got to be ready for 302 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:51,060 whatever that new next thing is. I think NFT worlds have changed 303 00:21:51,060 --> 00:21:56,730 that as well. Just because they're building effectively on 304 00:21:56,760 --> 00:22:00,330 the most played game in history, Minecraft, they're sort of the 305 00:22:00,330 --> 00:22:04,950 underlying layer. But the battle hardened code that's underneath 306 00:22:04,950 --> 00:22:08,220 it, they've added their own token, and they're allowing 307 00:22:08,220 --> 00:22:13,350 communities to come around a game effectively, the game that 308 00:22:13,350 --> 00:22:16,290 has to be built by the devs. So that's another angle lots of 309 00:22:16,350 --> 00:22:19,680 projects. Now we're building a game in NFT worlds are all of 310 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:24,450 these different sort of ones that are building up. But in it, 311 00:22:24,660 --> 00:22:27,270 the I guess the answer is always different for different 312 00:22:27,270 --> 00:22:30,450 projects, because they will all have their own little different 313 00:22:30,450 --> 00:22:37,380 goals. And for us, it's to use that NFT to the best of its 314 00:22:37,380 --> 00:22:42,630 ability. So I do think the ens thing that I'd mentioned 315 00:22:42,630 --> 00:22:47,340 earlier, I think that's one of the greatest NFT utilities at 316 00:22:47,340 --> 00:22:51,300 the moment. And it is kind of confusing to me why everyone 317 00:22:51,300 --> 00:22:56,190 isn't copying us. I would just expect people to see it. I know 318 00:22:56,190 --> 00:23:00,300 we're quite small, like not diluted that you know, we're one 319 00:23:00,300 --> 00:23:03,990 of the projects that people will be keeping eyes on all the time. 320 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:10,740 But it it should have, I feel like he should have twigged in a 321 00:23:10,740 --> 00:23:13,680 couple of founders minds maybe it's just not high on their 322 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:18,990 priority list and it's on their to do list or whatever. But 323 00:23:18,990 --> 00:23:24,060 really, whatever the project is building to so if you're if it's 324 00:23:24,060 --> 00:23:28,920 a story we've seen with cyber brokers, they've had missions 325 00:23:28,950 --> 00:23:33,210 over the past week every day, and that's built up to a reward 326 00:23:33,450 --> 00:23:38,520 which I think is a mecca arm but that's clearly then building to 327 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:44,850 something so there's some kind of story going on their bored 328 00:23:44,850 --> 00:23:49,230 apes are coming out with their land azuki did their in real 329 00:23:49,230 --> 00:23:54,810 life. Check your wallets drop. doodles going down the non 330 00:23:54,810 --> 00:24:01,080 dilutive, non dilutive, get everyone in somehow route which 331 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:04,770 is going to be very interesting to see how they do that. So it's 332 00:24:04,770 --> 00:24:08,310 just all these projects coming up with their own ways to bring 333 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:13,350 value to their community. And when there's a winner, I think 334 00:24:13,350 --> 00:24:15,240 we'll see a lot of people following 335 00:24:16,770 --> 00:24:20,400 Konrad: all right, what by the way, what what do you think is 336 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:25,650 the biggest advantage of holding a .pcc.eth domain like what what 337 00:24:25,650 --> 00:24:30,480 makes you so so confident that you're wondering yourself why 338 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:31,770 other founders haven't? 339 00:24:33,310 --> 00:24:39,100 Carlini8: It's it's not .pcc.eeth. It's dot anything dot 340 00:24:39,100 --> 00:24:44,380 Eve. So I'm not saying dot PCC dot ETH is the greatest thing 341 00:24:44,380 --> 00:24:52,330 ever. I'm saying the concept itself is great. For example, we 342 00:24:52,330 --> 00:25:00,910 see we see new ba YC new azuki with founders Every day, they're 343 00:25:00,910 --> 00:25:05,740 all verified. They're all tagging us on Twitter. If their 344 00:25:05,740 --> 00:25:13,810 username was.ba yc.eth something.ba, YC dot eth. That 345 00:25:13,810 --> 00:25:17,350 would be unchained verification that they're real. It's a bit 346 00:25:17,350 --> 00:25:22,870 like the hexagon on Twitter. But it's a username. So it would, it 347 00:25:22,870 --> 00:25:26,620 will cut out that sort of scamming. And you don't need to 348 00:25:26,620 --> 00:25:29,590 ask them for their wallet. So if you're doing a deal with someone 349 00:25:29,590 --> 00:25:33,910 that's pretending to be whatever dot bayc dot eth, and they say, 350 00:25:33,940 --> 00:25:37,510 oh, actually send it to this other wallet, that should set 351 00:25:37,510 --> 00:25:41,230 off alarm bells, because they've publicly said this is their 352 00:25:41,230 --> 00:25:44,950 wallet. Why are they wanting to send this somewhere else? It's 353 00:25:44,950 --> 00:25:49,630 clearly a scam. And it's, it's just the other integration as 354 00:25:49,630 --> 00:25:54,490 well. So we were going to be able to give people a slight 355 00:25:54,490 --> 00:26:00,190 nudge to use dot PCC dot ETH on Discord and Twitter. And that 356 00:26:00,190 --> 00:26:07,030 itself is powerful marketing. For a project like us, it would 357 00:26:07,030 --> 00:26:10,030 be even bigger for a bigger project, if suddenly you have 358 00:26:11,140 --> 00:26:14,170 like, there's no doubt in my mind that if bored apes did it 359 00:26:14,230 --> 00:26:19,120 before 1000 people on Twitter with Dot BaYC, dot Eth, within a 360 00:26:19,120 --> 00:26:23,230 week. And just seeing those all over Twitter, the ability to 361 00:26:23,230 --> 00:26:26,500 search, eight, follow eight would be so much stronger. And 362 00:26:26,500 --> 00:26:30,910 right now, NFTs are marketing really, when we when we get down 363 00:26:30,910 --> 00:26:31,240 to it. 364 00:26:32,290 --> 00:26:35,590 Konrad: But why would I not be able to just change my username, 365 00:26:35,590 --> 00:26:40,210 for example, also to dot, I don't know to Valerio dot baYC 366 00:26:40,210 --> 00:26:40,780 dot eth 367 00:26:41,639 --> 00:26:43,679 Carlini8: like that won't work. 368 00:26:46,650 --> 00:26:49,830 Konrad: But for Twitter, to change your username, you don't 369 00:26:49,830 --> 00:26:53,250 need to link it to your wallet, right? It's only for the hexagon 370 00:26:53,250 --> 00:26:53,640 profile. 371 00:26:54,540 --> 00:26:59,010 Carlini8: I'm fully expecting some form down the line with 372 00:26:59,010 --> 00:27:02,700 Twitter a verification. So you know how they've recently added 373 00:27:03,120 --> 00:27:07,020 the links with the little blue ticks. If they're a real link, 374 00:27:08,100 --> 00:27:12,690 they verify that links aren't a scam. Alright. 375 00:27:15,060 --> 00:27:17,190 Konrad: I'm not sure if I knew a bit about this, 376 00:27:17,660 --> 00:27:21,140 Carlini8: it's pretty new a few days, I've just got Twitter 377 00:27:21,140 --> 00:27:24,500 open. So I'll just send you I haven't seen as well in the 378 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:29,330 discord. Just next to links, there's a green circle with a 379 00:27:29,330 --> 00:27:35,750 white ticket. And I fully expect they are able to verify that an 380 00:27:35,750 --> 00:27:40,310 NFT you own an NFT. And it shouldn't be too much of a leap 381 00:27:40,310 --> 00:27:46,550 for them to be able to verify that you own a subdomain. So I 382 00:27:46,550 --> 00:27:51,230 think very quickly that will become a searchable proof of 383 00:27:51,230 --> 00:27:57,740 ownership because you can only have that if you own for us you 384 00:27:57,740 --> 00:28:01,610 can only have dot PCC dot ETH if you own a Purrnelope, and you 385 00:28:01,610 --> 00:28:06,470 cannot fake like with an NFT. You can you can just mentor 386 00:28:06,470 --> 00:28:09,800 bored ape and get a hexagon. You can you know you can just mentor 387 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:13,670 on open see just a picture of it is obviously fake. But Twitter 388 00:28:13,670 --> 00:28:18,020 will verify exists an NFT. Whereas we've got PCC dot ETH 389 00:28:18,380 --> 00:28:23,150 you cannot verify that the only way to verify it is by actually 390 00:28:23,150 --> 00:28:26,600 having it. So when that when their version of a hexagon be 391 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:32,720 that a tick or I don't know, colorful semi circle around it 392 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:37,220 or something like that. That will be sort of the gold 393 00:28:37,220 --> 00:28:39,920 standard of not getting scammed, I think. 394 00:28:41,610 --> 00:28:46,620 Konrad: All right, interesting. So So basically, you think that 395 00:28:46,620 --> 00:28:51,300 in some time that it's possible to change your username, I mean, 396 00:28:51,300 --> 00:28:54,480 similar to the profile pic, right? Where you connect to your 397 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:57,870 wallet, and then obviously the domain. I mean, it's everything 398 00:28:57,870 --> 00:29:01,290 on chain, right? So it's easy to prove, and verify if you 399 00:29:01,290 --> 00:29:05,400 actually own it. And then you're actually able to change your 400 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:10,410 user name to whatever if you own whatever domain you own, similar 401 00:29:10,410 --> 00:29:12,180 to the profile pic. Alright. 402 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:16,080 Carlini8: And that's sort of short term thinking as well. If 403 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:22,110 you go, you know, long term, pie in the sky, which often people 404 00:29:22,110 --> 00:29:26,220 talk about when thinking about NF. TS, you know, logging into 405 00:29:26,220 --> 00:29:30,930 your email with your subdomain, your your web free version of 406 00:29:30,930 --> 00:29:35,370 email, whatever that is logging into Facebook, Instagram, even 407 00:29:35,370 --> 00:29:39,150 Twitter itself. This could be done via your wallet. And your 408 00:29:39,150 --> 00:29:45,090 wallet is your subdomain. It's snow. It's how your wallet is 409 00:29:45,090 --> 00:29:51,330 represented, I guess. But you will be logging in as this. This 410 00:29:51,330 --> 00:29:54,870 subdomain for everything in the long term. 411 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:59,490 Konrad: i It's very interesting because I was always asking 412 00:29:59,490 --> 00:30:03,630 myself I could just as you said earlier, I could use CTRL S like 413 00:30:03,660 --> 00:30:07,140 a bored eight, right? Safe, safety picture and just just 414 00:30:07,140 --> 00:30:11,790 meant it. And then I own the NFT. It's not the official one, 415 00:30:11,790 --> 00:30:16,080 but I still own on the NFT and can upload it to as a hexagon on 416 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:21,210 Twitter. And on the first site, it's a bored ape. Right? And I 417 00:30:21,210 --> 00:30:25,020 don't think all people, I don't think everyone actually clicks 418 00:30:25,020 --> 00:30:29,160 on it, and then scrolls down and checks if all right, it's the 419 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:32,430 official collection and stuff. Usually, it's just the first for 420 00:30:32,430 --> 00:30:33,810 sidebar people are 421 00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:38,220 Carlini8: never I've never checked a hexagon, ever. I've 422 00:30:38,220 --> 00:30:41,430 never, I didn't even know you didn't know you could. So now 423 00:30:41,430 --> 00:30:43,170 I'm having to scroll. And yeah, 424 00:30:43,300 --> 00:30:46,660 Konrad: I did a couple of times, but I don't think I'm I think 425 00:30:46,660 --> 00:30:52,150 I'm the minority. But yeah. I mean, most people are lazy, so 426 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:54,550 so that they will just see the bored ape. And they're like, 427 00:30:54,550 --> 00:30:57,460 alright, it's official one. But but that's super, super cool, 428 00:30:57,460 --> 00:31:01,120 actually. And I've never thought about that. Well. So I guess 429 00:31:01,510 --> 00:31:05,080 we'll see it. Soon that other projects start implemented 430 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:05,920 something like this, 431 00:31:06,350 --> 00:31:10,130 Carlini8: we were already kind of alpha, I guess we're already 432 00:31:10,490 --> 00:31:16,130 confirming real Twitter Usernames, we have a bot coming. 433 00:31:17,030 --> 00:31:20,270 haven't actually no one in the community knows. So this is, you 434 00:31:20,270 --> 00:31:24,050 know, fresh info for them. But there's a bot coming that will 435 00:31:24,530 --> 00:31:29,900 check discord, check Twitter, and check the subdomains 436 00:31:29,900 --> 00:31:33,920 registered. And if they all match, you will be able to get a 437 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:38,510 role in the discord. And also, there'll be a leaderboard that 438 00:31:38,510 --> 00:31:44,630 shows how many of these verified people you follow. So in a way, 439 00:31:44,630 --> 00:31:48,020 you're pushing, you know, ape follow ape, there's no way 440 00:31:48,050 --> 00:31:51,380 there's no reason to put that tweet out. Because we literally 441 00:31:51,380 --> 00:31:54,680 have this leaderboard, showing who we're incentivizing people 442 00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:58,850 to go and follow the rest of the community. And that just, you 443 00:31:58,850 --> 00:32:02,660 know, pretty much the outside image of your NFT project right 444 00:32:02,660 --> 00:32:07,310 now is all about Twitter. And this is just a very powerful way 445 00:32:07,790 --> 00:32:10,550 to get your community interacting more on Twitter, 446 00:32:10,580 --> 00:32:16,670 every community with this would interact more. So our 447 00:32:16,670 --> 00:32:20,450 percentage, you know, might be quite small, and we're starting 448 00:32:20,450 --> 00:32:25,310 from a small place. But again, as a concept, if doodles did 449 00:32:25,310 --> 00:32:30,200 this, how, how much would that explain the community? You know, 450 00:32:30,230 --> 00:32:31,220 these sorts of things? 451 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:39,810 Konrad: Interesting. Yeah. I don't know if you have anything 452 00:32:39,810 --> 00:32:41,370 to add here, but do you 453 00:32:41,580 --> 00:32:44,520 know, no, I just wanted to move to another topic. If we're long 454 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:44,940 with it. 455 00:32:45,239 --> 00:32:49,439 I would like to talk a little bit about the background first. 456 00:32:50,460 --> 00:32:52,800 Valerio: So finally, yeah, yeah, sure. It's 457 00:32:52,830 --> 00:32:58,290 Konrad: alright. Yeah, so your background Carlini. So you said 458 00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:04,050 you got into crypto 2013 started mining on your gaming PC? What? 459 00:33:04,590 --> 00:33:07,620 How old were you at the time? 2014. 460 00:33:07,990 --> 00:33:12,160 Carlini8: If I had to guess it was probably 2014 as was mining, 461 00:33:12,370 --> 00:33:16,060 I was in that house 2013 2015. And it was probably in the 462 00:33:16,060 --> 00:33:22,000 middle of 2014. I was 24. It's easier, just add 10 to the 463 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:22,930 whatever you were in. 464 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:27,840 Konrad: Alright, all right. And like what background did you 465 00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:31,020 have before that? Do you do you have a college degree do you do 466 00:33:31,020 --> 00:33:32,580 come from a technical background? 467 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:33,620 Carlini8: So I went to I went to uni and I did maths and biology. 468 00:33:33,620 --> 00:33:36,650 After I graduated, I went to a DNA testing company, using the 469 00:33:36,650 --> 00:33:49,730 biology side of things for a few years. But while I was there, I 470 00:33:49,730 --> 00:33:58,010 started gambling in my spare time, and it was gambling with 471 00:33:58,220 --> 00:34:01,250 its it started off with something called match betting 472 00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:04,610 where you you kind of play the odds. And no matter what 473 00:34:04,610 --> 00:34:08,510 happens, you make a profit you you bet on every outcome. And 474 00:34:08,540 --> 00:34:12,770 you know, I talked about that for hours but in a way I gambled 475 00:34:12,770 --> 00:34:18,050 for a living in a way that is mathematically viable. It wasn't 476 00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:21,950 I wasn't a degen and I was I was actually running a business. And 477 00:34:21,950 --> 00:34:26,270 that got so big that I was actually losing money going to 478 00:34:26,270 --> 00:34:30,320 work. So I had to I had to say to my boss I look I'm sorry, 479 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:35,780 I've got a quick I used I kept getting like promoted and moved 480 00:34:35,780 --> 00:34:36,500 up all right. 481 00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:42,060 Konrad: But again, again, you need to go more into detail. So 482 00:34:42,660 --> 00:34:47,250 that was after after graduating college uni and then working for 483 00:34:47,250 --> 00:34:51,240 a DNA DNA company and then next to that you start a gambling 484 00:34:51,390 --> 00:34:54,630 match match betting what exactly how does it work? 485 00:34:56,070 --> 00:35:01,260 Carlini8: So, in I guess in a quick rundown Is gambling 486 00:35:01,260 --> 00:35:04,800 companies want you to gamble with them, there's a lot of 487 00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:08,790 competition to gamble. So they want you to pick them over any 488 00:35:08,790 --> 00:35:12,090 of their competitors. So they give you an offer, hey, deposit 489 00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:16,410 100 pounds, and we'll give you 100 pounds of fake money. And 490 00:35:16,410 --> 00:35:19,080 you have to do a certain amount of gambling until you can 491 00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:23,520 withdraw any money. So I use the math side of things to figure 492 00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:27,930 out, right is this offer worth doing. So I've put in 100 493 00:35:27,930 --> 00:35:32,580 pounds, I now have 200 pounds, but I have to gamble 2000 494 00:35:32,580 --> 00:35:36,690 pounds. So I worked out if I should, if I would make money 495 00:35:36,690 --> 00:35:41,880 doing that. And normally, they would make it profitable for 496 00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:45,150 you. Because even without you thinking about it, if you were 497 00:35:45,150 --> 00:35:49,320 just gambling on random stuff, they're making it so that you 498 00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:54,360 should win originally, you get hooked. And then eventually you 499 00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:57,900 give it all back and more to them. So that's their play. So 500 00:35:57,900 --> 00:36:02,940 they, they effectively try and make you win early. hook you in. 501 00:36:03,300 --> 00:36:08,520 So horrible practice is really destroyed some lives. But if you 502 00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:12,540 just take the good part of that offer, if you take the bit where 503 00:36:12,540 --> 00:36:17,430 they're making it so that you should win, and then leave and 504 00:36:17,430 --> 00:36:19,860 then repeat with another company and then repeat with another 505 00:36:19,860 --> 00:36:23,130 company. And then you know, just keep keep going. And that was 506 00:36:23,130 --> 00:36:28,140 effectively where it all started. And then that grew into 507 00:36:28,530 --> 00:36:34,620 quite a big business. All right, quit I quit my job in 2015 and 508 00:36:34,620 --> 00:36:38,220 was a gambler until effectively COVID. 509 00:36:38,910 --> 00:36:41,400 Konrad: So karma really were you making per month as a 510 00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:42,420 professional gambler. 511 00:36:44,010 --> 00:36:48,120 Carlini8: It did vary based on the we're always December was 512 00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:51,690 always a good month, because companies would put out 513 00:36:51,780 --> 00:36:56,040 effectively advent calendars where every day, they would put 514 00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:59,040 out an offer. And it was really busy because he had to go 515 00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:01,740 through all the sites and figure out which company had actually 516 00:37:01,740 --> 00:37:04,530 put out a good offer and which one a terrible offer. Because 517 00:37:04,530 --> 00:37:06,870 they weren't all just because their offers didn't mean they 518 00:37:06,870 --> 00:37:13,140 were worth doing. And also throughout the time period. I 519 00:37:13,140 --> 00:37:19,110 was I got progressively better at it. But at the same time the 520 00:37:19,110 --> 00:37:21,930 gambling companies made it harder and harder. So it's like 521 00:37:21,930 --> 00:37:26,490 an all way always a battle to innovate and sort of move on. I 522 00:37:26,580 --> 00:37:30,900 my peak, I was probably making 50,000 pounds a month 523 00:37:33,690 --> 00:37:36,570 Konrad: how many dollars are that? Approximately? 524 00:37:37,410 --> 00:37:47,490 Carlini8: 70,000 pounds 65. Almost exactly. 65. And that's 525 00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:51,480 because that's gambling as well in the UK gambling is tax free. 526 00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:57,900 Which is a shame that crypto and NFTs are classed as gambling 527 00:37:57,900 --> 00:38:00,960 because I'll tell you if you're listening Boris or Rishi, I am 528 00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:01,500 gambling 529 00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:08,010 Konrad: and how many hours a day were we working on your gambling 530 00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:12,380 Carlini8: It was quite it was quite a lot it was. So I was in 531 00:38:08,010 --> 00:38:08,310 business? 532 00:38:12,380 --> 00:38:15,920 the mindset that I wouldn't get another opportunity like this in 533 00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:20,510 life and I really had to you know, really grasp it while I 534 00:38:20,510 --> 00:38:25,580 could. So I was I was working. You know, most of the time 535 00:38:26,660 --> 00:38:30,410 before I had kids, it was you know the only other thing I 536 00:38:30,410 --> 00:38:35,090 really did was spend time with my wife and sometimes sometimes 537 00:38:35,090 --> 00:38:38,690 go out and then when I had kids I did it less because I spend 538 00:38:38,690 --> 00:38:40,790 more time with them. That's another good thing I was always 539 00:38:40,790 --> 00:38:48,290 at home to to help out and see them. But yeah, the mindset was 540 00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:55,130 work all the time. But obviously I had lazy periods. But I just 541 00:38:55,130 --> 00:38:59,660 wanted to go for it while I could. But slowly NFTs kind of 542 00:38:59,660 --> 00:39:06,200 took over so I was I was gambling during 2017 NFTs 2018 543 00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:11,540 NFTs 2019 NFTs because the money just wasn't really there. Like 544 00:39:11,540 --> 00:39:15,740 the the NFT market you guys have experienced I would have never 545 00:39:15,740 --> 00:39:20,600 kept gambling. If that was what it was like it was so bad that I 546 00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:24,170 was making I was making money gambling to put into NFTs 547 00:39:24,170 --> 00:39:27,590 because I believed in NFTs but I was not making money in NFTs 548 00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:32,100 Konrad: I mean it makes sense for you to squeeze out 549 00:39:32,100 --> 00:39:36,000 everything you could but at what point and how do you find about 550 00:39:36,030 --> 00:39:40,920 crypto because if you're working all the time, like how did you 551 00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:41,400 find it? 552 00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:46,940 Carlini8: I found it when I found gambling ish when I found 553 00:39:46,940 --> 00:39:50,690 match betting because I was always you know, I don't even 554 00:39:50,690 --> 00:39:54,500 really fully know how I found match betting. So I did the 555 00:39:54,500 --> 00:40:00,380 match betting concept on my own just before I sort of found it I 556 00:40:00,380 --> 00:40:04,040 did it. And I was like, this should be a thing. So I kind of 557 00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:08,960 went looking, found it. And at the same time, people were using 558 00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:13,940 Bitcoin to move money around. So I'd done some research into 559 00:40:13,940 --> 00:40:19,760 crypto. But the thing about crypto then is you could only 560 00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:24,800 really to make to make money two or three ways you could trade. 561 00:40:25,220 --> 00:40:29,900 And I was not a trader, and trading takes losses to learn, 562 00:40:30,620 --> 00:40:34,430 you could found and, you know, I just found crypto, I couldn't 563 00:40:34,580 --> 00:40:37,370 build something or raise any money or do anything like that. 564 00:40:38,720 --> 00:40:42,290 Or you could just hold it. And that's just parking money. And 565 00:40:43,250 --> 00:40:46,640 you're always just hoping it goes up. Obviously, you can go 566 00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:50,540 back in time, and no, it goes up. But there wasn't any 567 00:40:50,540 --> 00:40:54,110 opportunity like there is now where you can take ethereum do 568 00:40:54,110 --> 00:40:58,100 stuff with it and have more Ethereum i That's generally what 569 00:40:58,100 --> 00:41:00,620 people in the NFT space are doing. They're trying to make 570 00:41:00,650 --> 00:41:04,700 ETH, which you couldn't do back then you couldn't I mean, some 571 00:41:04,700 --> 00:41:10,790 people did. But it wasn't common. So I always knew of 572 00:41:10,790 --> 00:41:16,130 crypto when a couple of days ago guess match betting groups where 573 00:41:16,460 --> 00:41:21,140 they had like minded people. And a couple of them were getting 574 00:41:21,140 --> 00:41:28,730 into crypto. So I can't remember there was some, some, I think, 575 00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:33,380 weekly report that a couple of friends had bought into that we 576 00:41:33,380 --> 00:41:36,560 all spoke about every week that sort of just kept our eye and 577 00:41:37,070 --> 00:41:40,790 looking for possibilities. Because we we were mainly 578 00:41:40,790 --> 00:41:43,790 looking at it from a bitcoin casino point of view, because if 579 00:41:43,790 --> 00:41:47,660 they started putting good offers on all you have to do is make a 580 00:41:47,660 --> 00:41:51,380 bitcoin address, you know, it was almost unlimited free money. 581 00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:56,480 And unfortunately, they never really, they never really 582 00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:57,740 brought in big office. 583 00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:04,010 Konrad: And you said that right now someone can put eth to make 584 00:42:04,010 --> 00:42:08,330 more eth. So how do you exactly multiply is that you have? And 585 00:42:08,330 --> 00:42:10,760 how much do you need to start with? Because I think that's 586 00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:11,930 also important question. 587 00:42:12,620 --> 00:42:15,230 Carlini8: Well, it's really easy, all you do is you mint one 588 00:42:15,230 --> 00:42:18,830 bored ape for naught point naught eight, if, then you just 589 00:42:18,830 --> 00:42:24,830 hold it, you get you get a dog a mutant, you know, that's fair to 590 00:42:24,830 --> 00:42:30,860 say, if you go ape, it's, you know, it's, it's the NFT Casino. 591 00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:34,910 That's what people are doing. And some people are very good at 592 00:42:34,910 --> 00:42:38,720 it. And they're making a lot of ETH. And some people are just 593 00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:46,460 funding those people. But we do have lots of injection of 594 00:42:46,460 --> 00:42:51,560 Ethereum from people who truly believe in what they're buying. 595 00:42:52,370 --> 00:42:56,900 You have young people spending hundreds of 1000s of ETH on 596 00:42:56,900 --> 00:43:01,820 pieces that they truly believe will be worth lots in 10 years 597 00:43:01,850 --> 00:43:06,590 in 20 years. You know, when when Gary Vee bought loads of punks 598 00:43:07,100 --> 00:43:11,390 for a lot of ETH he's not looking to flip, he hasn't sold 599 00:43:11,390 --> 00:43:16,880 one, his his punks are sitting there waiting for you know when 600 00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:21,200 he's 80 and he can do something with them. Whereas that Ethereum 601 00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:25,190 he put in has gone to someone else to then go back into the 602 00:43:25,220 --> 00:43:29,240 casino. So these these people are bringing in lots of Ethereum 603 00:43:29,240 --> 00:43:36,050 that the true believers, I guess that is just pumping up other 604 00:43:36,050 --> 00:43:39,560 people's bags and letting people then spend that Ethereum and 605 00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:42,950 other projects and and pushing it all up. 606 00:43:44,940 --> 00:43:49,080 Konrad: Alright, and how do you choose the project that you want 607 00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:54,870 to flip? I mean, obviously, like it can vary a lot of things like 608 00:43:54,870 --> 00:43:58,410 hype and Tim, etc. But if someone's looking to Soulages 609 00:43:58,410 --> 00:44:01,350 make a lot of money quickly. What is your criteria? 610 00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:07,060 Carlini8: Well, right now, you've I guess you've got a 611 00:44:07,060 --> 00:44:12,220 feel, feel the hype that certain projects have for the shore 612 00:44:12,220 --> 00:44:18,610 things. For example, I can't remember what is called Moon 613 00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:28,510 Moon owls. The Kevin Rose one I think is minting a 2.5 Ethereum. 614 00:44:28,990 --> 00:44:32,470 And that certainly, that certainly doesn't seem like it 615 00:44:32,470 --> 00:44:35,950 will be a bad buy. But getting onto that whitelist is hard 616 00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:39,610 because everyone thinks it's free Ethereum that sort of 617 00:44:39,610 --> 00:44:45,040 thing. Has a solid team behind it that have delivered multiple 618 00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:48,250 things in their life. And I'm sure that project will do well. 619 00:44:48,490 --> 00:44:52,330 Whereas on the flip side, you have a similar hype level for 620 00:44:52,330 --> 00:44:57,520 things like pick someone. And that was purely marketing. There 621 00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:02,530 was there was no team behind it. There was That was just a 622 00:45:02,530 --> 00:45:07,510 roulette spin. But people effectively got wrong. But some 623 00:45:07,510 --> 00:45:12,400 people actually did flip and revealed before it was seen what 624 00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:17,770 the art looked like. But if more if you're telling people like 625 00:45:17,770 --> 00:45:24,520 how to make money, it needs to be the solid projects. And if 626 00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:29,710 you just, if you just know you want to degen, I guess if you 627 00:45:29,710 --> 00:45:34,090 know that, there's that possibility to lose, then what 628 00:45:34,090 --> 00:45:40,090 you have to do is, secure your profits when you can. And the 629 00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:46,810 hard bit is looking back, I have owned many apes that I've sold. 630 00:45:47,500 --> 00:45:53,650 And I sold them at five ETH, 10 ETH 15 ETH. And I, if you look 631 00:45:53,650 --> 00:45:58,060 back at those, you know, it haunts you, I owned over 100 632 00:45:58,060 --> 00:46:03,820 punks. And I sold them all, you know before, before they breach 633 00:46:03,850 --> 00:46:09,820 10. And then obviously, they went over 100. There is no one 634 00:46:09,820 --> 00:46:15,550 that has perfectly traded any NFT. So you just have to accept 635 00:46:15,940 --> 00:46:22,060 that you won't be perfect. And you're you will if you just if 636 00:46:22,060 --> 00:46:26,560 you go pure degen, and you're gonna hold bags. But also you 637 00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:29,410 will get out of winners too early. There's there's just no 638 00:46:29,410 --> 00:46:32,560 two ways about it. I think mindset is a big thing here. 639 00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:39,950 Konrad: All right. Why did you say earlier that a mint price of 640 00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:43,670 2.5 is doesn't sound like a bad buy. 641 00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:49,060 Carlini8: Because of the project itself, let me try and I can't 642 00:46:49,060 --> 00:46:56,140 fully it's moon birds XYZ. So is by is by Kevin Rose. And the 643 00:46:56,740 --> 00:47:05,080 they founded proof. XYZ, which I last time I checked that the 644 00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:11,020 floor for that was 80 Ethereum. So there's there's a lot of hype 645 00:47:11,020 --> 00:47:14,950 going into it because of what they've already done. Kevin Rose 646 00:47:14,950 --> 00:47:18,520 has done a hell of a lot in his life. And his is co founder I 647 00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:24,640 can't remember what his name is. Ken just trying to have a quick 648 00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:27,940 scroll to for remember, I've listened to their spaces, but I 649 00:47:27,940 --> 00:47:32,890 can't remember his name. They've both done a lot of big deals and 650 00:47:34,030 --> 00:47:37,090 like they could be retired if they wanted to be there. I think 651 00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:40,030 it's a good if you have the opportunity, I think that should 652 00:47:40,030 --> 00:47:44,530 be bought because it very much feels like with the experience 653 00:47:44,530 --> 00:47:48,940 the team have the hype around the project and their ability 654 00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:53,470 2.5 ETH won't be where it stops just comparing it to the other 655 00:47:53,470 --> 00:47:55,150 projects on the market at the moment. 656 00:47:56,280 --> 00:48:01,680 Konrad: Yep. All right. If you're if you're comparing the 657 00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:08,130 NFT let's say the NFT casino to what you did back back almost 10 658 00:48:08,130 --> 00:48:14,340 years ago, right? The gambling business. It was matched betting 659 00:48:14,340 --> 00:48:19,110 right. Match betting means you're betting on a match. It's 660 00:48:19,110 --> 00:48:21,450 a football match, or how do I understand? 661 00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:27,150 Carlini8: Well, just like in, in the simplest terms, a match bet 662 00:48:27,150 --> 00:48:31,260 would be betting on every outcome. So it doesn't have to 663 00:48:31,260 --> 00:48:34,500 be football. But if you're betting on football, you could 664 00:48:34,500 --> 00:48:41,370 bet on win draw and loss. But you you bet on a win with 665 00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:46,530 whatever company you've just signed up to, which then will 666 00:48:46,530 --> 00:48:49,980 allow you to get a free bet from them. So they'll give you a fake 667 00:48:50,100 --> 00:48:57,330 100 pounds, which you can then use later on a second bet. And 668 00:48:57,330 --> 00:49:02,190 then you lay the bet somewhere like Betfair where and a lay 669 00:49:02,190 --> 00:49:06,570 just means not so you would bet on not win with Betfair and you 670 00:49:06,570 --> 00:49:10,410 bet on a win with whatever company it is, but you can also 671 00:49:10,770 --> 00:49:13,860 you can bet on tennis is quite a common one. You know, there are 672 00:49:13,860 --> 00:49:18,390 only two outcomes there. Even even horse racing, you know 673 00:49:18,390 --> 00:49:21,270 people people did it on the Grand National just the other 674 00:49:21,270 --> 00:49:25,740 day because you could if you cover every horse are using 675 00:49:25,740 --> 00:49:30,300 these this free money that they give you, you then have quite 676 00:49:30,300 --> 00:49:36,630 the result at the end although after about a year or so I moved 677 00:49:36,630 --> 00:49:41,130 away from match betting and it was actually the casino side of 678 00:49:41,130 --> 00:49:46,470 things. But it was in a match betting way. I guess running it. 679 00:49:47,790 --> 00:49:52,200 The maths was on my side, but you could go on bad losing runs. 680 00:49:53,670 --> 00:49:57,990 Konrad: All right. And you started math right. So I guess 681 00:49:57,990 --> 00:50:01,560 that helped you with the probability calculations right? 682 00:50:03,270 --> 00:50:06,480 Carlini8: A bit, but the word calculators so it's not like I 683 00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:10,830 was doing stuff on the fly in my head. I was more just keying 684 00:50:10,830 --> 00:50:13,890 stuff into spreadsheets, but just understanding how it 685 00:50:13,890 --> 00:50:17,460 worked. Quite a lot of people who made a lot of money doing 686 00:50:17,460 --> 00:50:23,280 this. Had no idea about the mouse. And they quite often 687 00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:26,520 would get scared after a few months of losing. 688 00:50:26,940 --> 00:50:30,930 Konrad: Alright, interesting. But it's still fair to say that 689 00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:34,590 you were some kind of genius, right? I mean, I mean, you still 690 00:50:34,590 --> 00:50:37,350 are right, but not now. You're a NFT. Genius. 691 00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:39,600 Carlini8: You can't You're not allowed to say that yourself. 692 00:50:42,720 --> 00:50:47,670 Well, no, it's not. I'm not even. I'm not book smarts. I'm 693 00:50:47,670 --> 00:50:51,390 just, I guess, internet smarts. I know. I know, my way around 694 00:50:51,390 --> 00:50:53,370 the internet. Now is what 695 00:50:54,029 --> 00:50:57,389 Konrad: did you did you watch the Netflix movie? There was 696 00:50:57,389 --> 00:51:00,599 like a Netflix movie where there was like a guy from College, 697 00:51:00,989 --> 00:51:05,579 where he was in like, a US college and went to the math 698 00:51:05,579 --> 00:51:09,569 class. And he was like, super good. And then the teacher. 699 00:51:10,439 --> 00:51:15,299 Like, one, yeah. 21. And yeah, and they they played blackjack 700 00:51:15,299 --> 00:51:19,589 and stuff. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that was super, super inspiring. 701 00:51:19,619 --> 00:51:26,039 They made tons of money and lost. And lost it. Oh, by the 702 00:51:26,039 --> 00:51:30,569 way, how did your your boss react? When you when you went to 703 00:51:30,569 --> 00:51:33,689 him and told them now? Well, 704 00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:38,100 Carlini8: I, I, I walked up to her. And I said, Can I can I 705 00:51:38,100 --> 00:51:42,030 have a word? And her reply was, Oh, good. You don't have a 706 00:51:42,030 --> 00:51:47,280 letter. Because she was she was a client. So she knew how much I 707 00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:52,980 was making at the time. So like, it wasn't a secret in the office 708 00:51:52,980 --> 00:51:56,220 or anything like that. And my reply to her was, oh, I need a 709 00:51:56,220 --> 00:51:59,910 letter do I? She was so went to the meeting room. And yes, she 710 00:51:59,910 --> 00:52:03,090 just, she knew it was coming and said something along the lines 711 00:52:03,090 --> 00:52:07,350 of, there's no amount of money I can offer you to keep you as the 712 00:52:07,380 --> 00:52:11,820 as I said, not within your budget. We are still friends, I 713 00:52:11,820 --> 00:52:17,190 still went early 2015. So we're coming up to seven years. And 714 00:52:17,250 --> 00:52:21,330 you know, I've, I've had a meal with it this year. A couple of 715 00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:23,070 old work friends I still meet up with 716 00:52:26,130 --> 00:52:29,550 Konrad: All right, so I mean, my original question was, if you 717 00:52:29,550 --> 00:52:33,690 compare the NFT, casino to the, to the gambling business you 718 00:52:33,690 --> 00:52:37,410 did, where do you see connections? What did you learn? 719 00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:42,090 What learnings have you done previously, with your gambling 720 00:52:42,090 --> 00:52:44,910 business? You know, maybe controlling your emotions, 721 00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:50,400 focusing on on demand for the right rational thinking and 722 00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:53,910 stuff? What learnings did you make from your previous 723 00:52:53,910 --> 00:52:57,270 experience that you think, or that you can share with the 724 00:52:57,270 --> 00:53:01,770 community that is interested in let's say, the NFT. Casino? 725 00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:05,106 Carlini8: It was it was mindset, really. Because gambling before 726 00:53:05,182 --> 00:53:09,745 was very mathematical. I knew that if I kept going, I should 727 00:53:09,821 --> 00:53:14,383 make money. It didn't mean that I would. Because when you're 728 00:53:13,780 --> 00:54:56,530 I can see quite easily an NFT being worth, you know, a floor 729 00:53:14,459 --> 00:53:19,098 doing things like to maximize Evie, you take the whole amount 730 00:53:19,174 --> 00:53:23,889 of money. So say I deposited 200 pounds, and I got a 200 pound 731 00:53:23,965 --> 00:53:28,756 bonus, I'd put all 400 pounds on one number on roulette, purely 732 00:53:28,832 --> 00:53:33,547 because that was mathematically the best way to do it. So when 733 00:53:33,623 --> 00:53:38,109 you're just throwing away for throwing away money until you 734 00:53:38,185 --> 00:53:42,520 hit because there are 37 slots on a roulette wheel. So in 735 00:53:42,596 --> 00:53:47,311 theory, I should hit one in 37. You know, that takes a toll on 736 00:53:47,387 --> 00:53:51,950 you if if you just have a bad day, and it's very possible to 737 00:53:52,026 --> 00:53:56,436 go 100 without hitting. And you're just like, oh my god, a 738 00:53:56,512 --> 00:54:00,847 terrible day, you just always think if I'd literally done 739 00:54:00,923 --> 00:54:05,562 nothing today, if I stayed in bed, I'd be so much richer than 740 00:54:05,638 --> 00:54:10,276 I was than I am now. So what a waste of my time I've spent my 741 00:54:10,352 --> 00:54:14,991 time and my effort and I'm down. And I've done exactly what I 742 00:54:15,067 --> 00:54:19,706 should. Now you can't do that in the NFT world because buying 743 00:54:19,782 --> 00:54:24,269 something and expecting it to go up isn't maths, it's not a 744 00:54:24,345 --> 00:54:28,983 formula. It's not set in stone, what should happen. It's more 745 00:54:29,059 --> 00:54:33,850 feeling. But what you can do is you can be in the right mindset 746 00:54:33,926 --> 00:54:38,793 when Cryptos dumping like it is now to just take a step back and 747 00:54:38,869 --> 00:54:43,660 really look is this is crypto a thing? Are we actually going to 748 00:54:43,736 --> 00:54:48,375 still be here in 10 years? And yes, I very, I very much think 749 00:54:48,451 --> 00:54:53,014 it's a certainty at this point. And I think NFTs are in that 750 00:54:53,090 --> 00:54:57,880 space. So if you can handle the ups and the downs of these main 751 00:54:57,957 --> 00:55:02,291 projects that have teams that are staying, that are doing 752 00:55:02,367 --> 00:55:06,930 things that are going to be impactful in a few years. If you 753 00:55:04,990 --> 00:58:02,860 of 1000 Ethereum. Very long term. I can't tell you what one 754 00:55:07,006 --> 00:55:11,569 have the conviction like The people I've known who have made 755 00:55:11,645 --> 00:55:16,131 the most in NFT, since 2017, are those that have gone for a 756 00:55:16,207 --> 00:55:20,770 project and made insane bets on them. So I know Pranksy very 757 00:55:20,846 --> 00:55:25,333 well I got Pranksy into the space. I, I, you know, was in a 758 00:55:25,409 --> 00:55:30,200 slack with Pranksy, pre crypto kitties in 2017. And pranksy, he 759 00:55:30,276 --> 00:55:35,142 had 1250 bored ape or one point and sold most of them on the way 760 00:55:35,219 --> 00:55:39,629 up made, Mises made millions of pounds and is credited for 761 00:55:39,705 --> 00:55:43,964 effectively, very carefully selling them and helping not 762 00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:48,450 crushed the community. Because if it Pranksy just be like, 763 00:55:48,526 --> 00:55:53,241 right, let's list them all. One if you know, that wall just is 764 00:55:53,317 --> 00:55:58,108 never getting crossed. I don't think bored apes make it because 765 00:55:58,184 --> 00:56:02,823 the community wouldn't be as feel good as it was. Because the 766 00:56:02,899 --> 00:56:07,690 community is strong. But it was weaker back then obviously, and 767 00:56:07,766 --> 00:56:12,404 the growth helped strengthen them. And on the flip side, I've 768 00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:17,271 also friends with Jimmy Dot eth, who held a couple of hundreds, 769 00:56:17,347 --> 00:56:22,062 at the same time and sold less and still has maybe 80. And his 770 00:56:22,138 --> 00:56:26,929 conviction just led to you know, we're talking it's a bit crazy 771 00:56:27,005 --> 00:56:31,188 here because we're talking retired for the rest of your 772 00:56:31,264 --> 00:56:35,978 life with an insane budget. And the difference between retired 773 00:56:36,054 --> 00:56:40,769 for the rest of your life and then same budget and a couple of 774 00:56:40,845 --> 00:56:45,560 yachts. So you know, it's it's a ridiculous gap. But it's also 775 00:56:45,636 --> 00:56:50,123 the minimum we're talking about is already huge. So the big 776 00:56:50,199 --> 00:56:54,533 winners, when you look back are always those who buy into 777 00:56:54,609 --> 00:56:59,172 projects that they believe in and stick with them. You know, 778 00:56:59,248 --> 00:57:04,191 cocoa bear is someone else. Snow fro I tried to get him to sell a 779 00:57:04,267 --> 00:57:08,602 zombie crypto punks, zombie for fingers 40 Ethereum, when 780 00:57:08,678 --> 00:57:13,392 Ethereum was maybe $800, it was something like that. And I was 781 00:57:13,468 --> 00:57:17,879 like, Look, you need to sell you've got 30 of them. And he 782 00:57:17,955 --> 00:57:22,670 was going to spend it on real estate which eventually ended up 783 00:57:22,746 --> 00:57:27,157 being a staging place for our block. So I think he's still 784 00:57:27,233 --> 00:57:32,023 happy with the sale because of where it led. But he had so many 785 00:57:32,099 --> 00:57:36,434 posts. So many zombie punks. And it was so hard for me to 786 00:57:36,510 --> 00:57:41,453 convince him to sell one further time the highest sale ever, that 787 00:57:41,529 --> 00:57:45,940 these people just have the conviction and they stick to it 788 00:57:46,016 --> 00:57:50,654 and they make lots of money. I can't tell anyone if that sort 789 00:57:50,730 --> 00:57:52,480 of time period is over. 790 00:58:02,860 --> 00:58:06,370 that's going to be obviously apes are currently leading the 791 00:58:06,370 --> 00:58:11,950 charge and they're your safest bet. But is that how you make 792 00:58:11,950 --> 00:58:16,270 lots of money now? I'm I'm not sure. All right. 793 00:58:17,230 --> 00:58:21,730 Valerio: All right. By the way, talking about apes, I heard that 794 00:58:22,990 --> 00:58:29,770 that you thought that the launch of the ape token that you didn't 795 00:58:29,770 --> 00:58:32,770 think you made a good job on that. Am I right? 796 00:58:35,170 --> 00:58:39,970 Carlini8: I don't like that the apes don't yield the token. Yes, 797 00:58:40,030 --> 00:58:45,760 I think we're releasing our own token for Purrnelope's Country 798 00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:54,010 Club. And I think about token hours a day. And I have maybe 799 00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:59,320 four months at this point, maybe even five or six. And I much 800 00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:04,480 prefer an NFT. That yields a token. Because you're adding 801 00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:09,370 value to the NFT. At this point, apes have two things. They have 802 00:59:09,580 --> 00:59:15,700 the ape token, and they have the NFT. And in my mind, the token 803 00:59:15,940 --> 00:59:20,650 is taking away value from the NF T but the question here is, can 804 00:59:20,650 --> 00:59:24,310 they use the funds they raised from the token to offset that 805 00:59:24,310 --> 00:59:28,360 loss for apes. And for them? They probably can be they can 806 00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:33,850 use the funds to build enough for apes. But I don't think 807 00:59:33,850 --> 00:59:39,850 anyone else can. So if anyone copies them. That's a problem. 808 00:59:39,940 --> 00:59:44,590 And historically, everyone copies apes like there's just no 809 00:59:44,590 --> 00:59:48,670 two ways about it. Someone will try and copy them and they won't 810 00:59:48,670 --> 00:59:52,060 launch on every exchange at the same time the first token ever 811 00:59:52,060 --> 00:59:56,740 to do that. They won't have these these backings providing 812 00:59:56,740 --> 01:00:00,070 the liquidity early on or have the funds to do that and They 813 01:00:00,070 --> 01:00:02,710 will just take their whole projects with a token that 814 01:00:03,340 --> 01:00:06,910 ultimately people don't want. For instance, board apes had 815 01:00:06,910 --> 01:00:11,530 some launched ape with utility, that just doesn't work for any 816 01:00:11,530 --> 01:00:15,430 other projects that you need utility out the gate, or it's 817 01:00:15,430 --> 01:00:19,930 not going to work. Or it's an uphill battle, I guess at that 818 01:00:19,930 --> 01:00:23,890 point, it's much easier to launch with utility than to 819 01:00:23,890 --> 01:00:26,290 launch without it and then try and capture it 820 01:00:27,790 --> 01:00:30,640 Konrad: just allows you launch your own token right now won't 821 01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:34,870 be like the exact steps you will take and what will be the 822 01:00:34,870 --> 01:00:36,460 utility for the token itself. 823 01:00:37,560 --> 01:00:41,130 Carlini8: Wonderful. First step is to do it legally. So I can't 824 01:00:41,130 --> 01:00:47,430 launch it in the UK. So the token is going to be launched in 825 01:00:47,430 --> 01:00:50,850 the British Virgin Isles, there is a company already set up. 826 01:00:53,340 --> 01:00:59,970 Just paid for within arm's reach. When did this the 15th of 827 01:00:59,970 --> 01:01:05,280 December, it was launched that just shows how far back we were 828 01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:08,520 thinking about it. So we can legally launch the token, most 829 01:01:08,520 --> 01:01:12,210 tokens aren't launched legally. And I think that will be a big 830 01:01:12,210 --> 01:01:17,160 problem for projects as well, because like I've said earlier, 831 01:01:17,160 --> 01:01:21,660 the team is the important bit when teams are covered. If 832 01:01:21,660 --> 01:01:25,320 you're successful, you bring more light onto your projects. 833 01:01:25,770 --> 01:01:28,650 And when it's eventually found out that a token wasn't launched 834 01:01:28,650 --> 01:01:33,030 legally and the team is pursued, you know, they might abandon the 835 01:01:33,030 --> 01:01:35,940 project, or they might go to prison, they're not going to 836 01:01:35,940 --> 01:01:41,970 keep working on on this illegally launch token now. So 837 01:01:42,270 --> 01:01:46,200 step one is to launch it legally, which is all sorts of 838 01:01:46,260 --> 01:01:51,090 and step two is to provide the utility. So what what I've done 839 01:01:51,090 --> 01:01:54,960 is I've looked at a lot of other projects that have done similar 840 01:01:54,960 --> 01:02:00,270 things. So Cyberkongz, for example, have a yielding token, 841 01:02:00,450 --> 01:02:06,270 and it was very successful with them, breeding babies sup ducks 842 01:02:06,270 --> 01:02:10,140 had volt. And that went well with the snack shop that they 843 01:02:10,140 --> 01:02:14,430 had. So we'll be launching our tier twos, which is effectively 844 01:02:14,430 --> 01:02:19,830 our, our mutants or our meebit, you know, that sort of level of 845 01:02:19,830 --> 01:02:25,290 the community. And that will be purely, it will be purely in 846 01:02:25,320 --> 01:02:29,700 token. So you can only receive that with token. So people will 847 01:02:29,700 --> 01:02:35,040 be using it to gain that long term will want it in our NFT 848 01:02:35,040 --> 01:02:35,790 world. 849 01:02:37,230 --> 01:02:41,190 Konrad: James James, can you quickly clarify what you mean 850 01:02:41,190 --> 01:02:44,520 exactly by a yield token? 851 01:02:45,990 --> 01:02:50,910 Carlini8: So just normally, every day, you get a little 852 01:02:50,910 --> 01:02:56,550 trickle of the token. So it builds up over time, 853 01:02:56,940 --> 01:02:57,720 effectively. 854 01:02:58,050 --> 01:03:00,750 Valerio: So instead of instead of getting hammered, how much do 855 01:03:00,750 --> 01:03:05,280 they get, like 20 20,000 Apes per per bored ape, right? So 856 01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:10,770 instead of getting all 20,000, you should get them like on a on 857 01:03:10,770 --> 01:03:14,400 a schedule, right? Like, daily or something? 858 01:03:14,570 --> 01:03:19,010 Carlini8: Yes, it's slowly slowly release it. Because if 859 01:03:19,010 --> 01:03:21,920 you have all of the tokens, you're going to get up front, 860 01:03:21,980 --> 01:03:25,100 they did, you know, they sent a lot to the DAO and the DAO is 861 01:03:25,100 --> 01:03:30,590 voting on some sort of token yielding. But they're, they're 862 01:03:30,590 --> 01:03:35,360 doing it where you lock up, ape to get it and the NFT counts as 863 01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:41,150 a key. It's it's a little tricky to talk about now because 864 01:03:41,450 --> 01:03:44,870 something was proposed. And then the apes voted it down. And now 865 01:03:44,870 --> 01:03:47,600 something new is being proposed. And we're not sure if it's 866 01:03:47,600 --> 01:03:49,460 actually going to happen yet. So we don't actually know how 867 01:03:49,460 --> 01:03:53,600 they're doing it. But they're like their AirDrop, for example. 868 01:03:53,900 --> 01:03:58,730 Wasn't that much. wasn't a big percentage. I don't have the 869 01:03:59,870 --> 01:04:04,700 figures in front of me right now. But it was it was maybe 20% 870 01:04:04,700 --> 01:04:09,680 was the airdrop 40% was the DAO and then the rest went to Yuga, 871 01:04:09,980 --> 01:04:15,260 the charity partners and the team I think 872 01:04:20,640 --> 01:04:23,280 Konrad: one more thing I would like to touch on aside from 873 01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:27,780 token is a team which mentioned a lot during this episode. So 874 01:04:27,930 --> 01:04:32,010 how to build a really good team that will stay with you for a 875 01:04:32,010 --> 01:04:36,420 long time. And I second question will be how much money do you 876 01:04:36,420 --> 01:04:40,500 need upfront? Because no one really talks about salaries for 877 01:04:40,620 --> 01:04:44,130 teams. So like, if you'd like to start your own project, how much 878 01:04:44,130 --> 01:04:46,680 would you need to pay them on a monthly basis? 879 01:04:49,630 --> 01:04:53,350 Carlini8: Well, that's that's tricky because when you start 880 01:04:53,350 --> 01:04:58,990 bringing in this in this sort of space, people can be from 881 01:04:58,990 --> 01:05:02,230 anywhere, right? You don't, you don't have to hire around you, 882 01:05:02,230 --> 01:05:06,460 you don't have to hire in the US. You know, even like, none of 883 01:05:06,460 --> 01:05:10,000 the Purrnelope's team, there isn't an office, we don't meet 884 01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:14,110 up everyone's remote. So the team could in theory be from 885 01:05:14,110 --> 01:05:18,160 anywhere. And what you need to do is you need to make sure you 886 01:05:18,160 --> 01:05:22,900 get the right people in the right places, but that doesn't. 887 01:05:23,680 --> 01:05:28,780 That's more about their skills. So you need your community 888 01:05:28,780 --> 01:05:32,530 manager to have web 3 experience, for example, you 889 01:05:32,530 --> 01:05:36,850 need your community manager to know about NF Ts, because that's 890 01:05:36,850 --> 01:05:40,450 who they interact with, you can't have them looking like a 891 01:05:40,450 --> 01:05:44,140 complete noob in front of your community. Whereas say, your 892 01:05:44,140 --> 01:05:47,830 website dev doesn't need to, they can just be a really good 893 01:05:47,830 --> 01:05:51,880 website dev from web two. So there are certain roles where 894 01:05:51,880 --> 01:05:55,270 you can pull in web two, and there are certain roles where 895 01:05:55,270 --> 01:05:59,500 you really need web three. And there are some that you can kind 896 01:05:59,500 --> 01:06:04,300 of cross over, for example, marketing, you, you probably 897 01:06:04,300 --> 01:06:07,780 need at least one person in your marketing team who knows about 898 01:06:07,780 --> 01:06:12,310 web three and is experienced in it. But a really good marketer 899 01:06:12,310 --> 01:06:16,780 from web 2 world or just you know, anywhere can then come in 900 01:06:16,780 --> 01:06:23,770 and bring ideas to help grow your project that way. Salary 901 01:06:23,770 --> 01:06:32,290 wise, it's you, you want to pay people well, you'll be looking 902 01:06:32,290 --> 01:06:38,710 at high end pay. certain roles are very tricky to get. Now you 903 01:06:38,710 --> 01:06:46,240 can even a solidity Dev, what you can do is find a dev in web 904 01:06:46,240 --> 01:06:53,650 two, to learn solidity because depending on your projects, they 905 01:06:54,190 --> 01:06:57,580 there's there's a lot they can look at. So if you're just doing 906 01:06:57,580 --> 01:07:02,950 a 10k PFP, for example, they can look at our project or apes or 907 01:07:02,950 --> 01:07:05,500 doodles and look at their contract because it's all open 908 01:07:05,500 --> 01:07:09,250 source, and see how to do it themselves. And then after 909 01:07:09,250 --> 01:07:12,850 enough time, they become you know, if you've got someone who 910 01:07:12,850 --> 01:07:16,240 really wants to better themselves, they can then learn 911 01:07:16,240 --> 01:07:21,340 enough over that time. Because in reality, there aren't really, 912 01:07:21,340 --> 01:07:24,640 you know, the best Ethereum devs haven't been doing it 10 years 913 01:07:24,640 --> 01:07:28,540 because Ethereum isn't 10 years old. It's more about how quickly 914 01:07:28,540 --> 01:07:30,910 people learn and how willing they are to learn. 915 01:07:32,560 --> 01:07:34,870 Valerio: And it's cheaper like that, right? It's cheaper, 916 01:07:34,870 --> 01:07:40,240 getting a web 2 dev, learn solidity instead of hiring a web 917 01:07:40,240 --> 01:07:40,780 three dev, 918 01:07:40,960 --> 01:07:45,040 Carlini8: it's also easier, yeah, because there are more of 919 01:07:45,040 --> 01:07:50,590 them than there are that already know solidity. And the issue 920 01:07:50,590 --> 01:07:55,270 with solidity. devs is they know how much is going to how much 921 01:07:55,270 --> 01:07:59,110 your NFTs are going to sell for. And that then makes it quite 922 01:07:59,110 --> 01:08:04,990 tricky. Especially if you're mainly putting back into the 923 01:08:04,990 --> 01:08:11,740 community. So like, I think we sold out for $3 million, I think 924 01:08:11,740 --> 01:08:15,310 it was when you at the time and you know, multiply it all out 925 01:08:15,670 --> 01:08:22,720 the 800. If we took in that, you know, maybe 10% of that has gone 926 01:08:22,720 --> 01:08:26,590 on salary, it's without No, probably it will be more than 927 01:08:26,590 --> 01:08:29,650 10% Just you know, thinking about it quickly for a second. 928 01:08:29,980 --> 01:08:35,440 But it's not a huge chunk. Most of it has gone back in and none 929 01:08:35,440 --> 01:08:40,390 of it has gone into anyone's pocket. So you need a team that 930 01:08:40,390 --> 01:08:47,500 will understand it is a company. And most you know web two people 931 01:08:47,500 --> 01:08:50,860 coming into web three would see it as that. Whereas if someone's 932 01:08:50,860 --> 01:08:53,530 been in NFTs quite a long time, they might have seen you know 933 01:08:53,530 --> 01:08:56,290 pudgy penguins, they minted out and sent all the Ethereum to 934 01:08:56,290 --> 01:09:02,590 their own private wallets. Which was a bit crazy at the time. And 935 01:09:03,340 --> 01:09:06,700 for me, that's that's a bit of a red flag and they went on to 936 01:09:06,700 --> 01:09:13,660 then sell the project someone else a few days ago. So fine, 937 01:09:13,690 --> 01:09:19,420 finding a team is hard. you're best off building friends first 938 01:09:19,420 --> 01:09:25,210 building a friendship group thinking who's in, you know who 939 01:09:25,210 --> 01:09:27,880 actually wants to be in this what their skills, place them in 940 01:09:27,880 --> 01:09:32,320 the right place, and then go and find what you don't have the 941 01:09:32,320 --> 01:09:35,740 will you'll never be able to get a group of friends that have 942 01:09:35,740 --> 01:09:40,540 everything. Bored apes, for example, went and found the 943 01:09:40,540 --> 01:09:45,250 artists they didn't even have the ability to create this art 944 01:09:45,280 --> 01:09:50,920 that has become so monumental. They hired in three or four 945 01:09:50,980 --> 01:09:54,940 artists for that. So you just got to play to your strengths 946 01:09:55,000 --> 01:10:00,520 and find what you can in reality to find you can either change 947 01:10:00,520 --> 01:10:03,520 your name on Twitter to is hiring, I see that a lot. So I 948 01:10:03,520 --> 01:10:09,520 assume it works. That's not what I did. Or discord, we found 949 01:10:10,870 --> 01:10:14,740 website 2.0 People just because in one of the channels, one of 950 01:10:14,740 --> 01:10:19,990 the discourse has a NFT Bill doors channel, and they just 951 01:10:19,990 --> 01:10:25,150 posted, hey, we were web devs just looking to do some things. 952 01:10:25,180 --> 01:10:28,900 And I contacted them. And that's sort of how that connection was 953 01:10:28,900 --> 01:10:32,710 made. So it's just been active, sort of living and breathing. 954 01:10:33,160 --> 01:10:35,470 The project, I guess, alright, 955 01:10:35,090 --> 01:10:39,020 Valerio: can you still do that now? Or, or what what would now 956 01:10:39,020 --> 01:10:43,760 be the best and most efficient way to find dev to find artists 957 01:10:43,790 --> 01:10:46,130 to find different people for your team? 958 01:10:49,180 --> 01:10:51,400 Carlini8: If you're looking to launch soon, and you've already 959 01:10:51,400 --> 01:10:56,260 got, you know, a couple of crypto NFT friends, for artists, 960 01:10:56,290 --> 01:11:00,640 honestly, I'd go to Instagram, you know, it's I'd scroll 961 01:11:00,640 --> 01:11:05,830 Instagram, I'd put in some kind of art hashtag. I'd scroll until 962 01:11:05,830 --> 01:11:10,600 I find some art that looks great. And I'd I'd message maybe 963 01:11:10,630 --> 01:11:15,160 20 People have great looking at have some sort of pitch message 964 01:11:15,190 --> 01:11:20,410 that's like, Hey, we're looking to build this. We were looking 965 01:11:20,410 --> 01:11:24,250 for an artist we'd like to what I'd say to them is that we're 966 01:11:24,250 --> 01:11:27,070 looking to have someone involved, we want an artist who 967 01:11:27,070 --> 01:11:32,140 will continue to work on this, you'll probably be skeptical of 968 01:11:32,140 --> 01:11:36,250 NFTs because everyone outside of NFTs hates NFTs is pretty much 969 01:11:36,250 --> 01:11:40,540 how it goes. So I would, I would say look, I'm willing to listen 970 01:11:40,540 --> 01:11:44,710 to all your concerns, artists will probably have the two main 971 01:11:44,710 --> 01:11:50,560 concerns of selling stolen art, which is better than the real 972 01:11:50,560 --> 01:11:53,260 world, which is very annoying, because you only know the art is 973 01:11:53,260 --> 01:11:58,120 getting sold because of the NFT. And it's not most NFTs and it's 974 01:11:58,120 --> 01:12:02,650 no successful NFTs. And the environment, which you can then 975 01:12:02,650 --> 01:12:06,970 talk about the merge is coming and that will make Ethereum so 976 01:12:06,970 --> 01:12:09,580 much better better than paying on a canvas and shipping it 977 01:12:09,580 --> 01:12:14,920 across the world. And then get them involved. Have them as a co 978 01:12:14,920 --> 01:12:18,430 founder Don't say, I mean, if you want to make as much money 979 01:12:18,430 --> 01:12:21,040 as possible, what you do is you you basically screw over the 980 01:12:21,040 --> 01:12:24,670 artist and you say yeah, we'll do it for we'll do a fixed fee, 981 01:12:24,670 --> 01:12:30,460 and you do that. But my artist is Apollo have more now. But at 982 01:12:30,460 --> 01:12:35,620 the time I said look full time job salary. Come on in both, 983 01:12:35,650 --> 01:12:40,690 there was no sort of percentages because we're not splitting it. 984 01:12:41,110 --> 01:12:44,440 We weren't minting and then splitting the cash. But if you 985 01:12:44,440 --> 01:12:49,990 just say, look, you're a co founder you're in. Eventually 986 01:12:49,990 --> 01:12:53,830 you'd find it artists that way is I think, all right, 987 01:12:54,180 --> 01:12:58,890 Konrad: cool. How did you pay your artists a salary if you 988 01:12:58,890 --> 01:13:02,910 didn't launch your project that just with your own money? Or 989 01:13:02,810 --> 01:13:07,550 Carlini8: yeah, so I, I said to these two guys, that I'd fund it 990 01:13:07,550 --> 01:13:11,540 for a year already. Because, you know, as in NFTs and NFTs have 991 01:13:11,540 --> 01:13:14,960 gone crazy. And it's so quite a few and I had money set aside. 992 01:13:15,350 --> 01:13:18,890 So I put some money aside, and in my head that was for this 993 01:13:18,890 --> 01:13:23,150 project. And when that run run out, you know, it was over, I 994 01:13:23,150 --> 01:13:29,060 guess. So this was this was a bet on the project working? And 995 01:13:29,090 --> 01:13:32,750 if the money if the money ran out that was that, I guess. 996 01:13:33,660 --> 01:13:35,970 Konrad: All right. Well, if you take someone on the percentage, 997 01:13:35,970 --> 01:13:39,600 then you may you're like sure that they will be very involved 998 01:13:39,600 --> 01:13:42,930 in that they believe in the project itself. And I'm 999 01:13:43,200 --> 01:13:43,830 committed. 1000 01:13:43,890 --> 01:13:48,120 Carlini8: Yeah, and artists who will be working on it more than 1001 01:13:48,330 --> 01:13:51,690 right, can you make this 10k PFP. For me, and then when it's 1002 01:13:51,690 --> 01:13:55,590 done, that's done. But if the artist is in, they could make 1003 01:13:55,590 --> 01:13:58,620 the 10k PFP. And then they could start work on some marketing 1004 01:13:58,620 --> 01:14:01,320 materials, go on Twitter, and then they can start working on 1005 01:14:01,320 --> 01:14:05,520 your secondary products or just, you know, fun stuff where your 1006 01:14:06,510 --> 01:14:12,120 your profile picture project is in a scene and build up the law 1007 01:14:12,120 --> 01:14:14,670 because they truly believe in the project because that in the 1008 01:14:14,670 --> 01:14:17,010 projects is it's just a lot better that way. 1009 01:14:18,300 --> 01:14:23,130 Konrad: All right. So I'm trying to recap for our listeners. So 1010 01:14:23,130 --> 01:14:27,000 to find an artist, you suggest going to Instagram and then 1011 01:14:27,360 --> 01:14:31,020 search for a specific hashtag. Do you maybe have a short 1012 01:14:31,020 --> 01:14:32,070 example of a hash tag? 1013 01:14:34,110 --> 01:14:37,350 Carlini8: Well, it depends what you're you're going for. I was 1014 01:14:37,380 --> 01:14:44,250 looking for a H fans and artists this way not not for our project 1015 01:14:44,250 --> 01:14:49,500 but for something specific within the project. And I think 1016 01:14:49,500 --> 01:14:52,410 it was building art because I was looking for sort of 1017 01:14:52,410 --> 01:14:57,570 landscape and that sort of thread. So every you know, like 1018 01:14:57,570 --> 01:15:02,340 if you're if you're doing a seal project You know, try just 1019 01:15:02,340 --> 01:15:06,330 hashtag art and look at the reasons, but maybe CLR, PT or 1020 01:15:06,330 --> 01:15:09,990 animal art, or I don't know if those hashtags are real, you 1021 01:15:09,990 --> 01:15:12,600 know, just just get a bit creative around what you're 1022 01:15:12,600 --> 01:15:16,320 looking at, for the artists to do. All right, and you should be 1023 01:15:16,320 --> 01:15:17,040 able to find it. 1024 01:15:17,660 --> 01:15:20,390 Konrad: Like just a quick tip, if you if you want one profile, 1025 01:15:20,570 --> 01:15:24,350 you can just press the arrow button next to the Follow 1026 01:15:24,380 --> 01:15:27,860 button, and it will have a drop down of similar profiles. So 1027 01:15:27,860 --> 01:15:33,350 like, you will have suggested similar ones. Smart move, Konrad 1028 01:15:34,040 --> 01:15:36,950 Carlini8: did not know that. I live in Instagram noob. 1029 01:15:37,910 --> 01:15:40,160 Valerio: All right, and then have you your pitch message 1030 01:15:40,160 --> 01:15:44,510 ready and send them a nice pitch and stuff. What about devs 1031 01:15:44,510 --> 01:15:50,330 though? I mean, I assume web three depths or like the, like 1032 01:15:50,330 --> 01:15:53,000 the web three job with the highest demand, but the low 1033 01:15:53,000 --> 01:15:54,110 supply? Am I right? 1034 01:15:55,410 --> 01:15:58,620 Carlini8: It's very much seems that way. I've seen a couple 1035 01:15:58,620 --> 01:16:03,930 people claiming on Twitter that it's good community managers are 1036 01:16:03,930 --> 01:16:08,730 really? And I guess that's, that's hard to quantify, because 1037 01:16:08,760 --> 01:16:13,170 they're very much saying good. So, you know, what does? What 1038 01:16:13,170 --> 01:16:17,700 does that mean? You know, people will have fun. Yeah, exactly. 1039 01:16:17,810 --> 01:16:24,320 Valerio: So if you had to go and find, like, one, a web three dev 1040 01:16:24,380 --> 01:16:27,740 right now and a community manager now, what would you do 1041 01:16:27,740 --> 01:16:29,450 it? And? And yeah, 1042 01:16:30,650 --> 01:16:33,860 Carlini8: I think I would try and pull a community manager 1043 01:16:33,860 --> 01:16:39,080 from a community I was already in. So an active discord that 1044 01:16:39,080 --> 01:16:44,510 I'm in, I would try looking for. I think I just already know, by 1045 01:16:44,510 --> 01:16:49,040 being in the, in the discords. A couple of people who I think 1046 01:16:49,040 --> 01:16:53,990 have the potential to do the job well. And I'd I'd I'd kind of 1047 01:16:53,990 --> 01:16:58,790 rank them and speak to them in that order, I guess. Dev YT Dev. 1048 01:17:01,670 --> 01:17:07,430 I, I just I just knew one. That's it. That's my problem. I 1049 01:17:07,850 --> 01:17:13,670 I knew a dev who I think I was in a discord with them. And I 1050 01:17:13,670 --> 01:17:17,240 was saying like, I'm trying to find a web 3 Dev, it's really 1051 01:17:17,240 --> 01:17:20,630 hard, not sort of fishing, but just sort of in general. And 1052 01:17:20,630 --> 01:17:23,570 they were like, I could try it. I was like, Okay, you think so? 1053 01:17:23,630 --> 01:17:28,610 So yeah, it would be hard. I'll just read some contracts and go 1054 01:17:28,610 --> 01:17:31,460 from there. And they basically just read loads of contracts and 1055 01:17:31,550 --> 01:17:33,920 got used to the language and figured it all out. 1056 01:17:35,940 --> 01:17:39,840 Konrad: We have two tabs. But I guess like, GitHub is big for 1057 01:17:39,840 --> 01:17:44,550 for devs. write or read it and because I heard some people just 1058 01:17:44,550 --> 01:17:50,160 you know, post on Reddit or go to communities on Reddit. And 1059 01:17:50,160 --> 01:17:55,590 that's but yeah. And if you know, a specific thing you would 1060 01:17:55,590 --> 01:17:58,410 do right now to get the depth. You can tell it if not. 1061 01:18:00,430 --> 01:18:03,760 Carlini8: I'd asked my dad if he knew any devs, because he's a 1062 01:18:03,760 --> 01:18:09,820 dev. B, and here's the issue is he's not really motivated by 1063 01:18:09,820 --> 01:18:14,080 money. He's motivated by enjoying his job. So maybe I 1064 01:18:14,080 --> 01:18:18,010 could convince him to do it. Such that he just doesn't care 1065 01:18:18,010 --> 01:18:21,820 about NFTs enough. But I could ask him to find me a dev from 1066 01:18:21,820 --> 01:18:25,870 work or something like that, or from a past job. Who's a good 1067 01:18:25,870 --> 01:18:29,410 Dev, you know? And so obviously, that doesn't, if your listeners 1068 01:18:29,410 --> 01:18:31,630 want to call my dad his numbers, oh seven. 1069 01:18:34,990 --> 01:18:38,170 Konrad: Because when you said that you need a web 2 dev and to 1070 01:18:38,170 --> 01:18:41,830 learn like to make him learn solidity. It sounds like super 1071 01:18:41,830 --> 01:18:44,890 hard task. Because what do you say like you approach him and 1072 01:18:44,890 --> 01:18:47,230 say, Hey, I'm gonna build this project, I need you for it. 1073 01:18:47,260 --> 01:18:49,840 Like, all you have to do is learn solidity and that's it. 1074 01:18:50,980 --> 01:18:52,150 It's possible. 1075 01:18:53,100 --> 01:18:57,120 Carlini8: To us it sounds really hard. But from from the devs 1076 01:18:57,120 --> 01:19:00,930 have spoken to that have learned it, they've said it's not too 1077 01:19:00,930 --> 01:19:06,420 tricky. Like if, if they're generally a good Dev, I think 1078 01:19:06,420 --> 01:19:10,980 they should be able to make the basic leap that you need to 1079 01:19:10,980 --> 01:19:16,320 launch a project, they should be able to do that quite easily. If 1080 01:19:16,320 --> 01:19:16,590 you're there 1081 01:19:18,960 --> 01:19:22,500 Konrad: well, it's it's smiley, or is it dimension division, 1082 01:19:23,160 --> 01:19:25,350 Carlini8: everyone will be different, but over the same way 1083 01:19:25,350 --> 01:19:29,910 as the artists that try and get them properly in, you know, to 1084 01:19:30,270 --> 01:19:35,700 to join your vision. You're going to need a reason for this 1085 01:19:35,700 --> 01:19:41,940 project. Like what are you doing differently that is going to you 1086 01:19:41,940 --> 01:19:44,460 know, why? Why why are people going to care about your 1087 01:19:44,460 --> 01:19:47,880 project, you need to convince them that you can actually mint 1088 01:19:47,880 --> 01:19:50,760 out and get the funds to make this into a proper job. 1089 01:19:50,000 --> 01:19:57,320 Valerio: All right, cool. I see. Thank you. Carlini. I think that 1090 01:19:57,320 --> 01:20:02,510 was some some fire advice for are all our listeners very, very 1091 01:20:02,510 --> 01:20:08,090 valuable? The last thing before we let you go? It's something I 1092 01:20:08,120 --> 01:20:14,930 always love to talk about. What Why do you like? I mean, you 1093 01:20:14,930 --> 01:20:18,380 talked about Bitcoin first, right? And how you like it? How 1094 01:20:18,380 --> 01:20:21,920 we prefer a few than Bitcoin because you can build 1095 01:20:23,300 --> 01:20:27,680 applications or you can build stuff on Ethereum. But how 1096 01:20:27,710 --> 01:20:30,260 what's what's your point of view on the topic of 1097 01:20:30,290 --> 01:20:35,960 decentralization? Because that's something that I am concerned. 1098 01:20:35,960 --> 01:20:39,440 And that's also what I focus a lot. And decentralization is 1099 01:20:39,440 --> 01:20:43,460 important for me, right? And bitcoin is just way more 1100 01:20:43,460 --> 01:20:47,450 decentralized than Ethereum, for example, so that's why I'm a 1101 01:20:47,450 --> 01:20:52,190 little bit I mean, of course, Ethereum 2.0 is coming out and 1102 01:20:52,190 --> 01:20:57,170 the merge will be great. And, and but how do you see the point 1103 01:20:57,170 --> 01:21:01,610 of decentralization that if you're young guys, the boys from 1104 01:21:01,610 --> 01:21:05,540 the foundation are holding almost 70% of the tokens and 1105 01:21:05,540 --> 01:21:10,430 stuff? And, I mean, we just went from proof of work to proof of 1106 01:21:10,430 --> 01:21:13,520 stake right? Like that, 1107 01:21:13,000 --> 01:21:19,300 Carlini8: to me, it's a level of scale. Like decentralization 1108 01:21:19,300 --> 01:21:25,210 isn't yes or no. Like. Bitcoin is more decentralized, but it 1109 01:21:25,210 --> 01:21:29,710 isn't completely decentralized because someone can set up it's 1110 01:21:29,710 --> 01:21:35,170 just a matter of tech right? If you have enough mining power, it 1111 01:21:35,170 --> 01:21:39,070 Bitcoin isn't decentralized, because you have enough to 51% 1112 01:21:39,070 --> 01:21:44,890 attack or whatever. It's just a different level to Ethereum it 1113 01:21:44,890 --> 01:21:49,780 is more decentralized. But for me, I'm not personally too 1114 01:21:49,780 --> 01:21:55,270 worried because it is Ethereum is far more decentralized than 1115 01:21:55,630 --> 01:22:00,610 Solana what we already have, yeah. Well, Solana is just a 1116 01:22:00,610 --> 01:22:04,090 Google spreadsheet in my mind. So it's, it's about as 1117 01:22:04,090 --> 01:22:08,770 decentralized as the, you know, my my organizational 1118 01:22:08,770 --> 01:22:13,570 spreadsheets? Unless Sam you're listening and you want to invest 1119 01:22:13,570 --> 01:22:17,200 in PCC, then it's the most decentralized token in the world 1120 01:22:17,200 --> 01:22:24,340 is the best and I love it. If you're not it's No, I, you know, 1121 01:22:24,340 --> 01:22:28,810 I'm very surface level on Solana and the surface level seems to 1122 01:22:28,810 --> 01:22:32,830 be it turns off all the time, and it runs on about four PCs. 1123 01:22:33,370 --> 01:22:39,550 But for me, Ethereum is decentralized enough. And I 1124 01:22:39,550 --> 01:22:45,040 guess what I care about more is the stuff on it. So you can read 1125 01:22:45,040 --> 01:22:48,520 everything is open source? Well, most things that people interact 1126 01:22:48,520 --> 01:22:51,940 with are open source, and they can be checked. And you have 1127 01:22:51,940 --> 01:22:56,170 people like quit going through contracts, when they're launched 1128 01:22:56,170 --> 01:23:01,150 and telling everyone what's in them. And it's, it's that level 1129 01:23:01,150 --> 01:23:05,530 of openness, that is more important to me, because that 1130 01:23:05,530 --> 01:23:12,580 will matter. To the users like what we're doing is changing 1131 01:23:12,610 --> 01:23:19,060 everyday life in a more simple way. Whereas Bitcoin, I guess, 1132 01:23:19,060 --> 01:23:23,470 you could argue, will have a huge effect, because it depends 1133 01:23:23,470 --> 01:23:27,730 how, you know, doom and gloom, er, and the whole economy of the 1134 01:23:27,730 --> 01:23:33,610 world. But if you're not on that side of the scale, if if that 1135 01:23:33,610 --> 01:23:37,270 isn't a huge worry for you, which you know, people like you, 1136 01:23:37,300 --> 01:23:43,390 it should be your main worry. For me, you know, personally, I 1137 01:23:43,390 --> 01:23:46,960 don't think it will get there, I'm sure you know, will be sent 1138 01:23:46,960 --> 01:23:49,840 laser links and do your own research and all this stuff 1139 01:23:49,870 --> 01:23:53,560 about how I should have hundreds of Bitcoin because the world's 1140 01:23:53,560 --> 01:23:59,110 going going to hell. But I guess living in my nicer, happier 1141 01:23:59,110 --> 01:24:06,520 bubble, of where, where we don't think governments are trying to 1142 01:24:06,520 --> 01:24:11,650 kill us off in a great reset. The fact is, we can't scam each 1143 01:24:11,650 --> 01:24:19,120 other as easily on Ethereum in more everyday life. So Ethereum 1144 01:24:19,120 --> 01:24:23,260 is more decentralized than what we have now. So it is better. 1145 01:24:24,130 --> 01:24:27,730 And I It doesn't matter to me that there's something even more 1146 01:24:27,730 --> 01:24:32,590 decentralized because you can't do stuff with it, I guess. 1147 01:24:32,680 --> 01:24:38,290 Valerio: All right. All right. I mean, I think it's big on film. 1148 01:24:38,290 --> 01:24:41,800 They have two different use cases. I mean, exactly. Yeah. 1149 01:24:41,800 --> 01:24:43,540 Carlini8: They don't they're not competing in any way. 1150 01:24:43,570 --> 01:24:47,020 Valerio: Exactly. We cannot put them we cannot compare them and 1151 01:24:47,050 --> 01:24:49,330 try to make them compete each other. I mean, 1152 01:24:50,230 --> 01:24:51,820 Carlini8: coingecko and that's about it. 1153 01:24:52,870 --> 01:24:57,790 Valerio: Exactly. All right. Yeah. Cool. Thank you so much, 1154 01:24:57,820 --> 01:24:59,980 Konrad. Do you have any questions? 1155 01:24:59,980 --> 01:25:03,730 Konrad: Still, now I've asked all the ones to ask. So yeah, 1156 01:25:03,760 --> 01:25:06,490 thank you very much Carlini for joining us today. It was a 1157 01:25:06,490 --> 01:25:07,480 pleasure talking to 1158 01:25:07,840 --> 01:25:09,400 Carlini8: No problem. Thanks for having me on. 1159 01:25:09,450 --> 01:25:13,710 Konrad: It was an amazing podcast man. It was super super 1160 01:25:14,130 --> 01:25:18,600 insightful and valuable and I'm sure the community can can learn 1161 01:25:18,600 --> 01:25:20,430 a lot from from what you share.